LIV Golf

[Lord Tyrion]

Oh dear, have I touched a nerve?

The throat ramming seems to be in one direction, the PGA support seems to provide more structured debate.

Still, you’ve succeeded in making my mind up for me; I’ll be having nothing to do with LIV if you’re representative of it. ?

If you are wearing PGA glasses it might. I genuinely feel pretty ambivalent about the whole thing so see good and bad on both sides. If you think those backing the PGA on here are dainty wallflowers in their approach then you definitely to buy some more neutral glasses.

 

[Deleted member 3432]

Personally I would like to see the PGA Tour fail.

I would like to see LIV Tour fail.

I would like to see the best golfers playing on the European Tour every week.

I would like to see the 4 majors as The Open, US Open, Aussie and SA Open.

Global game based over here...

 

[Ethan]

If you are wearing PGA glasses it might. I genuinely feel pretty ambivalent about the whole thing so see good and bad on both sides. If you think those backing the PGA on here are dainty wallflowers in their approach then you definitely to buy some more neutral glasses.

I disagree. There is a difference between arguing in support of the established process than arguing in favour of a new and unproven one. The PGA Tour is unquestionably successful and hardly any of those defecting have failed to make at least a small fortune. The LIV Tour is unapologetically about throwing a huge amount of money of questionable ethical origin, to break the PGA Tour. The laughable thing is those who argue that the LIV Tour is trying to grow the game, attract new audiences, free the poor PGA Tour players from the intolerable hardships of flying NetJets across the country so often.

And Greg Norman's involvement reeks of ulterior, and not very honourable, motives.

If the LIV Tour was honest, it would present itself as a way of allowing a bunch of mostly on-the-decline players, and some younger and/or unknowns to make up the numbers, to fill their boots in shorter but apparently louder events just to piss off the PGA Tour whilst sportwashing Saudi money.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Personally I would like to see the PGA Tour fail.

I would like to see LIV Tour fail.

I would like to see the best golfers playing on the European Tour every week.

I would like to see the 4 majors as The Open, US Open, Aussie and SA Open.

Global game based over here...

The full utopian game would be great - US players playing in the USA , UK players in the UK , mainland Europe in Europe et

Also does China not get a major ? What about South America ? The Middle East ?

 

[Deleted member 3432]

The full utopian game would be great - US players playing in the USA , UK players in the UK , mainland Europe in Europe et

Also does China not get a major ? What about South America ? The Middle East ?

You've not read what I've written.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You've not read what I've written.

Ah must have misunderstood when talking about the best European players playing in Europe meaning the US players playing in the US ?‍

 

[Mel Smooth]

I disagree. There is a difference between arguing in support of the established process than arguing in favour of a new and unproven one. The PGA Tour is unquestionably successful and hardly any of those defecting have failed to make at least a small fortune. The LIV Tour is unapologetically about throwing a huge amount of money of questionable ethical origin, to break the PGA Tour. The laughable thing is those who argue that the LIV Tour is trying to grow the game, attract new audiences, free the poor PGA Tour players from the intolerable hardships of flying NetJets across the country so often.

And Greg Norman's involvement reeks of ulterior, and not very honourable, motives.

If the LIV Tour was honest, it would present itself as a way of allowing a bunch of mostly on-the-decline players, and some younger and/or unknowns to make up the numbers, to fill their boots in shorter but apparently louder events just to piss off the PGA Tour whilst sportwashing Saudi money.

Whats wrong with arguing in favour of something new and different (and better than the alternative this weekend in my opinion)?
My kid really enjoyed watching a bit of LIV on Saturday night, in fact came in from a round of golf, and while I sorted his tea, he put it on himself and sat and watched. Had the Irish Open on yesterday, completely different viewing experience and while acknowledging some great golf was played - especially by Meronk, I thought it was pretty dull to watch… putt , putt ,putt, advert break , drive, putt etc etc.
I know some people will have enjoyed it, but it didn’t have the tempo, nor the fun of the LIV event. For me of course.

 

[Ethan]

Whats wrong with arguing in favour of something new and different (and better than the alternative this weekend in my opinion)?
My kid really enjoyed watching a bit of LIV on Saturday night, in fact came in from a round of golf, and while I sorted his tea, he put it on himself and sat and watched. Had the Irish Open on yesterday, completely different viewing experience and while acknowledging some great golf was played - especially by Meronk, I thought it was pretty dull to watch… putt , putt ,putt, advert break , drive, putt etc etc.
I know some people will have enjoyed it, but it didn’t have the tempo, nor the fun of the LIV event. For me of course.

Yeah, but will your kid still be interested in a month, a year, 5 years' time?

LIV can have an ADD-friendly product now, but when they go to 72 holes, don't have shotguns each day and therefore don't have lots of shots to choose from in a narrow time period, have larger fields, might be a different viewing experience.

If PGA Tour players want to defect to LIV, that is up to them, and good luck to them. It is the whining about how the PGA Tour has not been fair to them, and threatening legal action after it was made quite clear what would happen if they defected. Personally, I am glad LIV took Reed, Perez and Na out of my sight. Would they be interested in Grayson Murray too - he seems nicely on-brand.

 

[Aztecs27]

I disagree. There is a difference between arguing in support of the established process than arguing in favour of a new and unproven one. The PGA Tour is unquestionably successful and hardly any of those defecting have failed to make at least a small fortune. The LIV Tour is unapologetically about throwing a huge amount of money of questionable ethical origin, to break the PGA Tour. The laughable thing is those who argue that the LIV Tour is trying to grow the game, attract new audiences, free the poor PGA Tour players from the intolerable hardships of flying NetJets across the country so often.

And Greg Norman's involvement reeks of ulterior, and not very honourable, motives.

If the LIV Tour was honest, it would present itself as a way of allowing a bunch of mostly on-the-decline players, and some younger and/or unknowns to make up the numbers, to fill their boots in shorter but apparently louder events just to piss off the PGA Tour whilst sportwashing Saudi money.

My sentiments exactly (and said much more eloquently than I could have written)

 

[Mel Smooth]

Yeah, but will your kid still be interested in a month, a year, 5 years' time?

LIV can have an ADD-friendly product now, but when they go to 72 holes, don't have shotguns each day and therefore don't have lots of shots to choose from in a narrow time period, have larger fields, might be a different viewing experience.

If PGA Tour players want to defect to LIV, that is up to them, and good luck to them. It is the whining about how the PGA Tour has not been fair to them, and threatening legal action after it was made quite clear what would happen if they defected. Personally, I am glad LIV took Reed, Perez and Na out of my sight. Would they be interested in Grayson Murray too - he seems nicely on-brand.

I guess at 17 he will be interested in what ever seems the most fun, and based on what we’ve seen so far, that will be LIV.?

 

[Ethan]

I guess at 17 he will be interested in what ever seems the most fun, and based on what we’ve seen so far, that will be LIV.?

Good for him. If he is like any 17 year old I have ever known, he will move on to something else soon. Not necessarily a sustainable audience model.

LIV needs a big name rivalry, and they are hoping it will be BdC vs somebody else. If the top players turn out to be Hudson Swafford and Kevin Na, their audience, including your 17 year old, will likely evaporate. Maybe that is what the team format is for, a hedge against boring winners. Likewise the PGA Tour is probably hoping that Rory and Justin Thomas start to come up against each other in the final round a bit more.

 

[Foxholer]

The only 'positive' thing about LIV was the lack of ads.
On the negative side was the quality of commentary - which might improve, but I doubt it; the obsession with the team format; and the sheer volume of random shots being switched to/shown with no 'continuity'.
And that's without considering the ethics of the setup or the obscene prize-money allegedly being paid - all to attract only a couple of real stars, who haven't performed very well.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1543360896671563778

I can think of a good 50mil plus reasons why he has misplaced his morals

 

[Ethan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1543360896671563778

I can think of a good 50mil plus reasons why he has misplaced his morals

To paraphrase whoever said it in a slightly different context (and attributions vary):

Mr Casey, would you play LIV Golf for 50 million pounds?. "Of course"

Would you play for 50 quid?. "Of course not, what kind of golfer do you take me for?"

We have already established that, we are just haggling about the price.

 

[pokerjoke]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1543360896671563778

I can think of a good 50mil plus reasons why he has misplaced his morals

Hypocrites get everywhere don’t they

 

[Pin-seeker]

Blimey people seem to be getting obsessed with this now,spending way too much time discussing it.
Surely there’s more to life.
Just don’t watch it ?‍?‍

 

[Reemul]

There are a couple of PGA bangers on here with super rose tinted glasses on definitely. It's almost like the gun crowd and anti abortionists in the US

What is frustrating is when people give new opinions or things from a different perspective they wheel out the same reasoning in fact it feels like they don't even read what is being said, their minds shut off.

I am ambivalent about all of it but this thread along with the footie thread really does show the worst in people and undeniably it is the same people on here doing it.

I find I post less and less these days and the minute those posters start posting (and they seem to get around the topics) i just leave the topic, they really do add nothing to the conversation at all and in fact are a bit of blot on the landscape, like the new home owner in your road that thinks it's ok to leave that old car and sofa on the front lawn in case they need it again.

Shame really.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1544054667411427330

this could get very interesting

I’m guessing Poulter is in using his ET membership ( resigned his PGA I believe )

The question is will Poulter play more in the ET after or just wants to play the Scottish Open

And Pelly response

https://twitter.com/x/status/1544057022492049408

 

[PJ87]

Truly believe the best way forward is just allow the players to play whatever tournament that suits them

Don't give Liv Ranking points. The players are then forced to play PGA events to keep their rankings up unless ofc they happy to just take the cash

Even with 14 weeks of Liv next season their is room for both, long as the majors and the decent PGA /DP events remain .. that's all that matters

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Poulter playing the Scottish will make the field worse.

What happened to wanting to play fewer events?