LIV Golf

[PJ87]

Hypocrites get everywhere don’t they

Really enjoying Liv but that was cringe!

It reminded me of the Simpsons

"Pele is king of the soccer field.. to be king of the kitchen use cresfield wax paper .. " is handed big swag bag

 

[Foxholer]

Personally I would like to see the PGA Tour fail.

I would like to see LIV Tour fail.

I would like to see the best golfers playing on the European Tour every week.

I would like to see the 4 majors as The Open, US Open, Aussie and SA Open.

Global game based over here...

And the tooth fairy will fly in to present the prizes!

 

[ger147]

Poulter's ban from the Scottish Open has been lifted so he'll be teeing it up at the The Renaissance Club later this week.

 

[hovis]

Imagine if poulter won. ?

 

[IanM]

Imagine if poulter won. ?

My imagination isnt up to it!

 

[Foxholer]

Poulter's ban from the Scottish Open has been lifted so he'll be teeing it up at the The Renaissance Club later this week.

He has a pretty good record in this event, though it's not normally a particularly high rated tournament - the (aged) multiplier from last year's tournament was 0.57 - same as the 'traditionally weak' John Deere's

 

[sunshine]

Perhaps it’s the transparency of what LIV is paying all who play that irks many, whereas the 2 existing tours tend to be very cagey about the appearance money that’s paid out

What transparency? I’ve just heard rumours and speculation

 

[Foxholer]

Perhaps it’s the transparency of what LIV is paying all who play that irks many, whereas the 2 existing tours tend to be very cagey about the appearance money that’s paid out

My understanding is that the existing tours don't pay 'appearance money' - just Prize Money. Individual venues/sponsors, on the other hand, might well pay such incentives.

 

[AussieKB]

The Masters is not really an invitational though. The Masters Committee can invite players, but other than the qualification criteria and published and I don't believe it is within their gift not to invite someone who qualifies through those routes

The Masters is an invite Tournament, I remember when Langer was practicing on the course and holding up Members, he was told that even though he was a Masters Champion he still needed to be invited.

 

[ExRabbit]

The Masters is an invite Tournament, I remember when Langer was practicing on the course and holding up Members, he was told that even though he was a Masters Champion he still needed to be invited.

Says everything why I would never want to be a member there even if I was a billionaire - they were obviously wrong, but wanted to let him know they had more right to be there than him. Probably had a chuckle to their caddies in their whites onesies!

 

[SyR]

Honestly I think this appeal is the best thing for the European Tour (if it gets upheld). They can show "willing" to ban the LIV players while maybe having LIV players join their events in the future. The ET is between the PGA Tour and LIV League so has the most to lose imo if LIV remains.

 

[Barking_Mad]

The moral aspect is something that we need to move on from in this discussion, the list could be endless for everyone’s moral compass, kill animals just so we can eat their meat, drink Russian vodka, supporting the war against Ukraine, buying consumer goods from china, supportive the regime for child labour, Don’t go to Dubai, built on slavery, the list could go on and on, judging by this thread there are a lot of people living like absolute angels who don’t put a foot out of place.

The usual appeal to apathy and the idea that any attempt at morality is pointless in an immoral world.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Honestly I think this appeal is the best thing for the European Tour (if it gets upheld). They can show "willing" to ban the LIV players while maybe having LIV players join their events in the future. The ET is between the PGA Tour and LIV League so has the most to lose imo if LIV remains.

For clarity

In a statement, Pelley added: "It is important to remember, however, this is only a stay of the sanctions imposed, pending the hearing of the players' appeal as to whether those sanctions were appropriate.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Says everything why I would never want to be a member there even if I was a billionaire - they were obviously wrong, but wanted to let him know they had more right to be there than him. Probably had a chuckle to their caddies in their whites onesies!

If you didn’t want to be a member of a club where people acted like that, you’d not be a member at any club!

 

[Barking_Mad]

Well in reality, the bit that’s worth watching is only 36 holes anyway. Cut after day 1, then 2x18 hole rounds - why not, it wouldn’t make any difference to the final outcome.

I mean apart from being statistical nonsense, your idea is tosh. Why not reduce it to 18 if 'anything before it makes no difference' ?

 

[Barking_Mad]

I’m pretty sure that Mickleson even before moving wouldn’t be challenging the top level again unless it was on the champions tour

Same with the likes of McDowell , Kaymer , Westwood , Garcia and Poulter

McDowell, Kaymer, Westwood, Mickelson, Garcia, Poulter.

Combined scores in the two events of +64. None of them so far have broken par for the 54 hole totals.

 

[r0wly86]

The Masters is an invite Tournament, I remember when Langer was practicing on the course and holding up Members, he was told that even though he was a Masters Champion he still needed to be invited.

Augusta National is absolutely an invite only place, but the Masters Tournament is not an invitational. The qualification routes are published, and I don't believe the Masters Committee can uninvite someone who has qualified:

• Masters Tournament Champions (Lifetime)
• US Open Champions (Honorary, non-competing after 5 years)
• British Open Champions (Honorary, non-competing after 5 years)
• PGA Champions (Honorary, non-competing after 5 years)
• Winners of The Players Championship (Three years)
• Current Olympic Gold Medalist (One year)
• Current US Amateur Champion (Honorary, non-competing after 1 year) and the runner-up to the current US Amateur Champion
• Current British Amateur Champion (Honorary, non-competing after 1 year)
• Current Asia-Pacific Amateur Champion
• Current Latin America Amateur Champion
• Current US Mid-Amateur Champion
• The first 12 players, including ties, in the previous year's Masters Tournament
• The first 4 players, including ties, in the previous year's US Open Championship
• The first 4 players, including ties, in the previous year's British Open Championship
• The first 4 players, including ties, in the previous year's PGA Championship
• Winners of PGA Tour events that award a full-point allocation for the season-ending Tour Championship, from previous Masters to current Masters
• Those qualifying for the previous year's season-ending Tour Championship
• The 50 leaders on the Final Official World Golf Ranking for the previous calendar year
• The 50 leaders on the Official World Golf Ranking published during the week prior to the current Masters Tournament

These are the published qualification routes. The committee can invite people who have not qualified with these methods. It is usually only 1 or 2, they have in the past invited players on the Asian Tour in an attempt to get more viewers, they have also invited big names who have possibly dropped down, I think Montgomery was invited once a few years back.

Langer qualifies by being a former champion, he is not invited, he has a lifetime exemption, but despite this, I am not so sure about that anecdote because I don't think members can play on the course for a couple months before the Masters, and past champions can't just rock up whenever they want to play

 

[Ethan]

Augusta National is absolutely an invite only place, but the Masters Tournament is not an invitational. The qualification routes are published, and I don't believe the Masters Committee can uninvite someone who has qualified:

• Masters Tournament Champions (Lifetime)
• US Open Champions (Honorary, non-competing after 5 years)
• British Open Champions (Honorary, non-competing after 5 years)
• PGA Champions (Honorary, non-competing after 5 years)
• Winners of The Players Championship (Three years)
• Current Olympic Gold Medalist (One year)
• Current US Amateur Champion (Honorary, non-competing after 1 year) and the runner-up to the current US Amateur Champion
• Current British Amateur Champion (Honorary, non-competing after 1 year)
• Current Asia-Pacific Amateur Champion
• Current Latin America Amateur Champion
• Current US Mid-Amateur Champion
• The first 12 players, including ties, in the previous year's Masters Tournament
• The first 4 players, including ties, in the previous year's US Open Championship
• The first 4 players, including ties, in the previous year's British Open Championship
• The first 4 players, including ties, in the previous year's PGA Championship
• Winners of PGA Tour events that award a full-point allocation for the season-ending Tour Championship, from previous Masters to current Masters
• Those qualifying for the previous year's season-ending Tour Championship
• The 50 leaders on the Final Official World Golf Ranking for the previous calendar year
• The 50 leaders on the Official World Golf Ranking published during the week prior to the current Masters Tournament

These are the published qualification routes. The committee can invite people who have not qualified with these methods. It is usually only 1 or 2, they have in the past invited players on the Asian Tour in an attempt to get more viewers, they have also invited big names who have possibly dropped down, I think Montgomery was invited once a few years back.

Langer qualifies by being a former champion, he is not invited, he has a lifetime exemption, but despite this, I am not so sure about that anecdote because I don't think members can play on the course for a couple months before the Masters, and past champions can't just rock up whenever they want to play

The Masters used to issue special invited under previous Chairmen, but have stopped doing that and now stick to the criteria above. They also cut back on the older winners who used to turn up and shoot 85, so players like Woosnam and Lyle have now been invited to become non-playing. Masters winners are not members and need to get agreement from the club to play outside normal practice times. Some past winners have been invited to become full members, such as Nicklaus and Palmer, I think.

 

[Foxholer]

Things need to change in the majors - they have to be refreshed at this stage....

No they don't!

...54 holes would be just part of an evolution to teams as part of a longer term plan. Teams chosen for each major by the respective organisation running it. Then a league table according to the performance of each of those teams in the 4 majors each year.....

Daft idea. To quote McEnroe...'You cannot be serious'!

...A shotgun start on the 3rd day would widen the appeal beyond todays older profile of golf fan, and bring in the youth that are essential to growing the game....

I very much doubt it. Can you explain why/how? The focus of this older profile fan is on the leading few groups and anyone else making a charge - a combo already well serviced by the existing format. The 54 holes/shotgun start/team event is just a set of gimmicks to differentiate LIV (or GWS's previous attempt at a rebel tour) from the regular one.

...The winning team would become the real focus of the majors rather than the individuals lifting dusty silverware that has been going since men won then using hickory shafts.

Competitive Golf is a primarily an individual sport. Which events get more recognition/emphasis at your club and 'board' comps? Club Championships or the occasional Shotgun start team event?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So Poulters main aim apart from money was to be able to play less and have more family time - yet he is now looking to appeal so that he can play more ?‍

And did they really not understand the consequences ?

It was interesting that he said he fully supports the ET - yet he has played 8 times in 3 years there. 3 of them in the Middle East , the Scottish Open to try and get into the Open

They don’t support the ET - they play when the convienent to him and I’m guessing he needs to play scotland to get in the Open