LIV Golf

[evemccc]

If Rickie, Brooks, Hovland etc move to LIV, and I could see Xander and Morikawa going too - then an argument would be made that it’s LIV that’s most competitive in terms of majors won in recent years, and certainly the star appeal to advertisers would dwarf the competitiveness and ‘ appeal’ of Scottie Scheffler, Sam Burns, Daniel Berger and Zalatoris - irrespective of what the Fed Ex rankings say

So then Rory would have to move over too, if it wanted to be pitted against the best

 

[pokerjoke]

Listening to sky sports now discussing Liv and it’s impact.
The PGA better watch out because in the end they could really be effected by this.
This week they’ve already increased the prize fund and I can see regular tour events being between 15+20 million very soon.
It has to otherwise we could find other big names leaving and the PGA could actually end up weaker than Liv.

 

[pokerjoke]

If Rickie, Brooks, Hovland etc move to LIV, and I could see Xander and Morikawa going too - then an argument would be made that it’s LIV that’s most competitive in terms of majors won in recent years, and certainly the star appeal to advertisers would dwarf the competitiveness and ‘ appeal’ of Scottie Scheffler, Sam Burns, Daniel Berger and Zalatoris - irrespective of what the Fed Ex rankings say

So then Rory would have to move over too, if it wanted to be pitted against the best

If Rory or Jt moved over they would probably be the biggest hypocrites in history,however I can’t ever see that happening,not after what they’ve been saying.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If Rickie, Brooks, Hovland etc move to LIV, and I could see Xander and Morikawa going too - then an argument would be made that it’s LIV that’s most competitive in terms of majors won in recent years, and certainly the star appeal to advertisers would dwarf the competitiveness and ‘ appeal’ of Scottie Scheffler, Sam Burns, Daniel Berger and Zalatoris - irrespective of what the Fed Ex rankings say

So then Rory would have to move over too, if it wanted to be pitted against the best

I would be amazed if the likes of Hovland , Morikawa , Schuaffle will move - those players just like Rory ,Rahm etc are all about competing on those PGA Tour events with history and competing in the majors , Ryder Cups etc

Fowler is another whose career has plummeted so it’s not a surprise if he goes

Brooks right now seems to be very annoyed about it all at the moment

 

[evemccc]

Listening to sky sports now discussing Liv and it’s impact.
The PGA better watch out because in the end they could really be effected by this.
This week they’ve already increased the prize fund and I can see regular tour events being between 15+20 million very soon.
It has to otherwise we could find other big names leaving and the PGA could actually end up weaker than Liv.

Interesting - so wouldn’t Phil have been proved correct then, in that what he was so widely castigated for by the US / UK golf media?
To Shipnuck he said he wanted to use LIV to gain leverage on the PGA Tour to make changes that benefit the players

He also said the Saudi’s were dangerous etc and murdered the journalist

Now - how it’s played out it’s clear that both parts are pretty accurate

 

[timd77]

I would be amazed if the likes of Hovland , Morikawa , Schuaffle will move - those players just like Rory ,Rahm etc are all about competing on those PGA Tour events with history and competing in the majors , Ryder Cups etc

Fowler is another whose career has plummeted so it’s not a surprise if he goes

Brooks right now seems to be very annoyed about it all at the moment

Yeh, agree with this. Brooks likes the beef doesn’t he, rarely gives a straight answer to quash a story. Could certainly see him going but not the others.

 

[Backsticks]

If Rory or Jt moved over they would probably be the biggest hypocrites in history,however I can’t ever see that happening,not after what they’ve been saying.

For those who have justified their decision on playing against the best, its all about wins that prove themselves against the best in the world, then I dont think its hypocritical if they jump if and after the balance of power has shifted to LIV. In fact they are consistent to their conviction if they then do move. Those not moving claiming moral issues with Saudi would be however.

 

[AussieKB]

For those who have justified their decision on playing against the best, its all about wins that prove themselves against the best in the world, then I dont think its hypocritical if they jump if and after the balance of power has shifted to LIV. In fact they are consistent to their conviction if they then do move. Those not moving claiming moral issues with Saudi would be however.

But would they move if LIV did not pay for them ???? then we would know who are hypocrites.

 

[Swango1980]

I would be amazed if the likes of Hovland , Morikawa , Schuaffle will move - those players just like Rory ,Rahm etc are all about competing on those PGA Tour events with history and competing in the majors , Ryder Cups etc

Fowler is another whose career has plummeted so it’s not a surprise if he goes

Brooks right now seems to be very annoyed about it all at the moment

I'm sure he has a few thoughts about his brother winning $146,000 for his +10 finish (Tied 33rd out of 48) at LIV, and his potential future earnings in the upcoming LIV events. Not bad since his PGA career earnings up until then were $306,000. I wonder what his sign up fee for LIV was as well? Poaching the younger brother of one of the worlds best golfer could have been a nice tactic for LIV to play.

So, I'm sure Brooks does not want to be critical of LIV, as he doesn't want to then look to be criticising his brother, which inevitably a journalist would follow up with if he was critical of LIV. I can also see him having a bit of brotherly rivalry, and might begin to wonder about his own career decisions if his younger brother starts rapidy becoming more financially successful than him (and catching up in terms of career earnings), despite being a much less successful / skillful golfer. Also, if he also has that genuine rivalry with Brooks, maybe it would hurt him to see Bryson massively out earning him. Brooks could maybe win the moral high ground argument, but if more and more big players do eventually move across anyway, then the later they make that decision the less they benefit financially. No need for LIV to offer big players the same monumental packages to sign up, if most of the big players have already signed up anyway. Not to mention all the early tournaments they have missed, many of which have golfers who, at best, have one a couple of monthly medals before signing up to LIV.

I can certainly see Brooks switching across to LIV in the not too distant future.

 

[Backsticks]

Koepka has clearly stated he doesnt value PGA wins. Its about the majors for him. So sure he would jump easy if his access to the 4 big ones wasnt at risk.
Preumably he would care about LIV wins either. They are all equal mediocrity to him.

 

[Beezerk]

Koepka has clearly stated he doesnt value PGA wins. Its about the majors for him. So sure he would jump easy if his access to the 4 big ones wasnt at risk.

That’s the thing, a golfers greatness is generally measured on how many majors they win not how many pga victories they have. I’m pretty sure the golfer who has 10 pga tour wins but blew a lead at a major would give up all those wins for that one major title.
I wouldn’t blame him for jumping ship, most pga events are 10 a penny barring the Players and a couple more.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That’s the thing, a golfers greatness is generally measured on how many majors they win not how many pga victories they have. I’m pretty sure the golfer who has 10 pga tour wins but blew a lead at a major would give up all those wins for that one major title.
I wouldn’t blame him for jumping ship, most pga events are 10 a penny barring the Players and a couple more.

Chicken and egg scenario- the PGA events are needed for the players to get into the majors but certainty agree in regards how most view the Tour events and it would be the same with any event

I have no doubt that Monty would swap all his OOM for one major or Poulter , Westwood etc swapping all their RC or ET wins for an major

The single key element is the ranking points - if they allowed the LIV events ranking points it would change the outlook of it all

 

[Beezerk]

Chicken and egg scenario- the PGA events are needed for the players to get into the majors but certainty agree in regards how most view the Tour events and it would be the same with any event

I have no doubt that Monty would swap all his OOM for one major or Poulter , Westwood etc swapping all their RC or ET wins for an major

The single key element is the ranking points - if they allowed the LIV events ranking points it would change the outlook of it all

Yes that’s true, who decides what tournaments are able to give out world ranking points, is it the pga or another body?
Re the pga events, maybe my 10 a penny was harsh but some of them just don’t interest me at all.

 

[Depreston]

Yes that’s true, who decides what tournaments are able to give out world ranking points, is it the pga or another body?
Re the pga events, maybe my 10 a penny was harsh but some of them just don’t interest me at all.

who decides ? The OWGR board

THE OWGR GOVERNING BOARD
Chairman – Peter Dawson
Augusta National Golf Club – Buzzy Johnson
European Tour – Keith Pelley
International Federation of PGA Tours – Keith Waters
PGA of America – Seth Waugh
PGA TOUR – Jay Monahan
The R&A – Martin Slumbers
USGA – Mike Whan

 

[Swango1980]

Chicken and egg scenario- the PGA events are needed for the players to get into the majors but certainty agree in regards how most view the Tour events and it would be the same with any event

I have no doubt that Monty would swap all his OOM for one major or Poulter , Westwood etc swapping all their RC or ET wins for an major

The single key element is the ranking points - if they allowed the LIV events ranking points it would change the outlook of it all

I see what you are saying, but I think this overstates the point. Monty and Westwood's profiles were hugely raised based on their general success on their tours, and their involvement in the Ryder Cup. In fact, many players say their best memories are the Ryder Cup wins, even Major winners. So, I'm almost certain they wouldn't swap all their Ryder Cup wins, and overall success on tour, to have the career of Todd Hamilton?

 

[Golfnut1957]

I've been spending some time on GolfWRX recently and the moderation is mental. Half of the threads on the front page require your post to be moderated, no mention of LIV except in the LIV thread.

The best was on the US Open thread. As Phil was teeing off there was a short discussion about him not getting booed, 3 or 4 posts, no mention of anything LIV related, but now they have all been removed.

The land of the free? The KGB couldn't do a better job.

 

[PJ87]

I've been spending some time on GolfWRX recently and the moderation is mental. Half of the threads on the front page require your post to be moderated, no mention of LIV except in the LIV thread.

The best was on the US Open thread. As Phil was teeing off there was a short discussion about him not getting booed, 3 or 4 posts, no mention of anything LIV related, but now they have all been removed.

The land of the free? The KGB couldn't do a better job.

Grass isn't always greener

 

[Backsticks]

Grass isn't always greener

Indeed.

Where it could do with some moderation is in the tales of a handicap of 19.3 who bought the low spin version of a new release driver in the spring and simply couldnt hit it. Then bought the Plus/Max/Extra version with a not publicly released shaft from a friend with access to one of the clubs tour trucks that Rory tried but felt he was simply hitting it too far. Put 2g of hot melt in it to deaden the sound and swapped out the 14g weight for a silver plated 12g one. Is now hitting bomb after bomb after bomb after bomb. A fairway finder that hits a baby draw with 325 yards carry, a spin that does NOT stray outside 2240-2290 on ANY shot, and the dispersion is so low that another friend who plays the Korn Ferry told him no one on that tour can drive the ball so well. Handicap is still 19.3.

 

[Rlburnside]

I like what Rahm said, basically all the bigger names that have gone across to LIV already have more money than they could spend in a lifetime. Why would they need more.

 

[Golfnut1957]

Indeed.

Where it could do with some moderation is in the tales of a handicap of 19.3 who bought the low spin version of a new release driver in the spring and simply couldnt hit it. Then bought the Plus/Max/Extra version with a not publicly released shaft from a friend with access to one of the clubs tour trucks that Rory tried but felt he was simply hitting it too far. Put 2g of hot melt in it to deaden the sound and swapped out the 14g weight for a silver plated 12g one. Is now hitting bomb after bomb after bomb after bomb. A fairway finder that hits a baby draw with 325 yards carry, a spin that does NOT stray outside 2240-2290 on ANY shot, and the dispersion is so low that another friend who plays the Korn Ferry told him no one on that tour can drive the ball so well. Handicap is still 19.3.

I'm intrigued. I haven't read about this amazing 19 handicapper, but then again if it is who I think it is I tend to avoid his threads.