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[Swango1980]

So his brother has made roughly $500k. Koepka $38m. He won't be catching him anytime soon.

No, but we've no idea if there was a decent sign on fee. And, a few highish place finishes for Chase to get a few million here and there. They key point I was making was that Chase could start earning more than Brooks (in terms of current earnings at any given point), rather than ultimately have higher career earnings. It was more about closing the gap. Meanwhile, Brooks would be thinking he should be coining it in and dwarfing Chase's current earnings, if he was also.in LIV

 

[Barking_Mad]

No, but we've no idea if there was a decent sign on fee. And, a few highish place finishes for Chase to get a few million here and there. They key point I was making was that Chase could start earning more than Brooks (in terms of current earnings at any given point), rather than ultimately have higher career earnings. It was more about closing the gap. Meanwhile, Brooks would be thinking he should be coining it in and dwarfing Chase's current earnings, if he was also.in LIV

No idea what goes on in Brooks's head. ?

 

[Swango1980]

No idea what goes on in Brooks's head. ?

True. It is why we often discuss opinions rather than factual goings on in a person's head. Have you ever been in a forum?

Plenty of people have expressed greed as a reason players join LIV. Maybe we should just shut down everybody's opinion by stating "we don't know what is going on in their head exactly"

 

[Barking_Mad]

True. It is why we often discuss opinions rather than factual goings on in a person's head. Have you ever been in a forum?

Plenty of people have expressed greed as a reason players join LIV. Maybe we should just shut down everybody's opinion by stating "we don't know what is going on in their head exactly"

Well IMO there's measured speculation based on some kind of existing knowledge and then another kind which is mainly, as in your example, just mainly assumptions and 'ifs' based on the internal workings of Koepka's mind and relationship with his brother, which we know nothing about.

But from what we he's said in the past re general competitions vs majors I'd agree that LIV could tempt him, but likely only if hes guaranteed he'd still be allowed to compete in the majors, as he sees these as the ones he really wants to win.

 

[Swango1980]

Well IMO there's measured speculation based on some kind of existing knowledge and then another kind which is mainly, as in your example, just mainly assumptions and 'ifs' based on the internal workings of Koepka's mind and relationship with his brother, which we know nothing about.

But from what we he's said in the past re general competitions vs majors I'd agree that LIV could tempt him, but likely only if hes guaranteed he'd still be allowed to compete in the majors, as he sees these as the ones he really wants to win.

Of course it is speculation. It was an educated assumption as to what Brooks might be thinking. It is why my original comment included words like might and maybe. He is a competitive guy, and so I wouldn't be surprised if there was a bit of friendly sibling rivalry. I hadn't tried to make out I was definitively expressing Brooks' thoughts, or representing him as his agent.

It isn't hard to imagine that you might wonder if you are making the right decision if you are fighting to.make cuts, while your significantly less talented sibling is guaranteed to make 6 figure sums each comp, and millions over the 7 comps.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1538242662683267073

 

[woofers]

Interesting read of Eddie Pepperells view of LIV and wider implications in The Sunday Times.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...ng-to-demise-of-tour-that-made-them-bqmsnqqtb

 

[Barking_Mad]

Interesting read of Eddie Pepperells view of LIV and wider implications in The Sunday Times.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...ng-to-demise-of-tour-that-made-them-bqmsnqqtb

For those without access

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eddie-pepperell-liv-defectors-only-serving-themselves-and-may-end-up-contributing-to-demise-of-tour-that-made-them-bqmsnqqtb

Edit Apologies the paywall might still be there.

 

[Deleted member 25172]

For those without access

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eddie-pepperell-liv-defectors-only-serving-themselves-and-may-end-up-contributing-to-demise-of-tour-that-made-them-bqmsnqqtb

Edit Apologies the paywall might still be there.

Any chance you could copy the article in here?

 

[BubbaP]

Any chance you could copy the article in here?

Is probably this one
https://www.bunkered.co.uk/golf-new...estwood-poulter-and-garcia-over-liv-rebellion

 

[BubbaP]

Pure speculation, Pelley might be toying with letting the liv guys onto regular DP tour events which might boost the ranking points a little, but not onto the co-sanctioned with PGA Tour events. Saying to Monahan, if you want to block them futher then co-sanction some more.

 

[Foxholer]

A quote from the unique Charles Barkley about the signing bonus...

“I don’t judge other people. Listen, if somebody gave me $200 million I’d kill a relative,” Barkley joked before doubling down. “I’m serious. They’re saying Phil Mickelson got $200 million, Dustin Johnson got $150 million, for $150 million I’d kill a relative, even one I like.”

 

[ColchesterFC]

I saw Keven Pietersen on Twitter was defending the players that had signed for the LIV golf by saying that it was a business decision and they were doing it for the money. As he's so vocal about poachers targeting rhinos in Africa for their horns I wonder if he'd accept that for the poachers it's purely a business decision and they're doing it for the money?

 

[AussieKB]

Why is it okay that there's a Saudi sponsor, Aramco, the largest sponsor of women's golf in the world? Why is it OK for them?
Where is the outcry over this, does not fit your narrative so we will ignore it.

Why does the PGA Tour have 23 sponsors within the PGA Tour doing 40 plus billion dollars worth of business with Saudi Arabia
and that is OK, but the players oh no you have to be cleaner then white.

 

[Imurg]

At the end of the day I think the main problem people have with the whole LIV thing is the sheer amount of money that is being thrown at, in the most part, mediocre p,ayers edging towards the end of their careers or younger players who, on the whole, aren't going to make it to the big time.
They're trying to buy a Tour...it's similar to the rich guy who walks into the pro shop and blows 5 grand on a full set of Taylormades plus bag, trolley etc etc walks out to the first tee and shanks every ball he's got into the lake...
It's their money and they can spend it how they like but don't expect everyone to be your best friend just because you're loaded.
Yes they put money into other enterprises but its a respectable amount..they're not trying too hard.
LIV is a nonsense - paying Mickelson 200m or whatever it was...DJ 120m...way more than Tiger has won in 20 years....
That's my problem with it....
The fields will get better because of human greed and if someone offered me the money it would be hard to turn it down..
Nobody is worth that amount of money, especially not those towards the end of their time on the course.
That you view.

 

[Backsticks]

I dont think that is the main problem, and it certainly isnt for me.
I have no concept of the millions they already earn on the PGA tour. 3 million for 4 days work for Fitzpatrick. The estimate is that Tiger had already passed one billion in earnings in his career from all sources.
From a global perspective of everyone on the planet, all those guys are already in the top 0.01%. Any fairness has long been left behind.
An extra zero on a number that is already stratospheric has no meaning to even the ordinary, even comfortable financially, golf spectator.

The issue for me, is a biforkation of elite golf, and the risk that the worlds top 100 will be split into two camps that never, or at best rarely, for the majors meet. So both tours are the losers. Both fields will be weak. And there will be no real equivalence or way of judging who is best individually, or which tour is better. There will no longer be a best golfer in the world. No longer a clear top 10. No longer a clear mountain for talented youth to climb to the top of world golf. There will be two peaks. Both will be lower than they could be. And nobody will know which is the higher one.

So if everyone moves to LIV, I would be fine with it.
Or if there is free movement between LIV and other tours I would he fine with it.
If they paid Phil 10 billion, I would be fine with it. That bit makes no difference.

(though LIV needs to cut the crap of teams, 54 holes, etc)

 

[Mel Smooth]

PGA should back down, for those players that want to play both PGA Tour and LIV - let them, for those that don't - no problem.

The PGA Tour have tried to force the players decisions with bans, and threats - it hasn't really worked as the players like Rory, Rahm and Fitzpatrick were probably never interested, where as the ones that have already gone or are going are prepared to sack off the PGA Tour anyway - and the only loser there really, is the PGA Tour.

There isn't really one big event (as in a Major ot TPC etc) left on US soil now for the PGA Tour, and if they (and the media) continue the "smear campaign" against LIV through The Open, a lot more people will become disgruntled with the obsessive LIV questions.
In comparison, LIV have 5 events in America where they can dominate the headlines and build up support for their product.

I'd imagine that Monahon was hoping he'd have done a better job of snuffing out the LIV threat by now, but it hasn't happened - he really does need to have a rethink about their approach.

 

[Swango1980]

Why is it okay that there's a Saudi sponsor, Aramco, the largest sponsor of women's golf in the world? Why is it OK for them?
Where is the outcry over this, does not fit your narrative so we will ignore it.

Why does the PGA Tour have 23 sponsors within the PGA Tour doing 40 plus billion dollars worth of business with Saudi Arabia
and that is OK, but the players oh no you have to be cleaner then white.

I was randomly looking at golf world rankings, and noticed a few big name players played in the PIF Saudi International in February.

I assume the people taking the moral high ground about LIV were equally as critical of players playing in this tournament?

 

[Barking_Mad]

I was randomly looking at golf world rankings, and noticed a few big name players played in the PIF Saudi International in February.

I assume the people taking the moral high ground about LIV were equally as critical of players playing in this tournament?

The same old tired argument that "people don't condemn everything therefore anything is agreeable".

Personally I'd no idea about it, and it's a real shame that an organisation crying out for equality is taking money from somewhere that has very dubious practices.

Regardless, the issue remains that if you don't stand for anything then you stand for nothing.

 

[Deleted member 25172]

The same old tired argument that "people don't condemn everything therefore anything is agreeable".

Personally I'd no idea about it, and it's a real shame that an organisation crying out for equality is taking money from somewhere that has very dubious practices.

Regardless, the issue remains that if you don't stand for anything then you stand for nothing.

My favourite argument is the one about people being hypocrites because they fill their cars with petrol. Absolutely laughable. I wonder how those using that argument even manage to tie their own shoe laces when they clearly suffer from intellectual dwarfism.