LIV Golf

[Barking_Mad]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1537069203416571911

Will be a bit a kick for the LiV tour

The two main tours becoming more together

Interesting to see what this might involve, presumably players having more access to PGA/DP tournaments?

 

[PJ87]

The people who will miss out will be the players will the lowest exemptions - the ones who will play the smaller comps , that’s been the same way for years , the same players miss out at the PGA or even past Scottish Opens . And those missing out then go on and play on the Challenge Tour for a competition- that’s nothing new and been happening for years.

If they want to play in the bigger events and earn the big money and ranking points then they need to perform when they get the chance which will give them entry into these events

Not sure why you started going on about wins ?‍♂

There is always the ability for the players to progress through the tours and the chance is there for anyone to grab providing the prove it on the other he course

Enhancing the Scottish Open isn’t going to harm the young talent - if anything it should give them something to aim towards

In your opinion.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

The lower players still need to make a living. The better players play on the PGA and get more money to do so and earn their prizes

All these moves are making it harder to make it.

Then their is the kornferry tour upping the entry fee to 6k

So what if they can't win? It's not all about winning. It's their job to play. Winning is a bonus

Look at finau

How long did he go without a win? But he earned his living

If you stop people coming through ie by upping entry fees and taking away events you could push out future talent from making it.

In your opinion

 

[PhilTheFragger]

In your opinion.

Yes his opinion
Respect it, challenge it if you want, but it is a valid opinion,

 

[PJ87]

Yes his opinion
Respect it, challenge it if you want, but it is a valid opinion,

Which at the same time My opinion should be respected and it's also valid . Works both ways.

I don't understand how whatever the situation the PGA tour come up smelling of roses and can do no wrong.

Over the weekend the Liv tour paid caddies expenses which was a fantastic move and something so minor that the PGA could do in its mega money making system to make it easier for those struggling but fails to do so. Yet nobody seems to care about it

I still stand by my opinion that if the PGA tour either changed or accepted the Liv tour to co excist and have players playing in both there would be more than enough share of the pie for all parties

But the PGA don't want to share. They imo ofc appear weak in their decision to suspend players

 

[Deleted member 15344]

In your opinion.

It’s also factually correct apart from the last sentence which is my opinion

Each tour have their events which are heavily loaded and during those events the lower ranked players move down and play on the challenge tour - same in the PGA , surely you have seen that over the years

Which at the same time My opinion should be respected and it's also valid . Works both ways.

I don't understand how whatever the situation the PGA tour come up smelling of roses and can do no wrong.

Over the weekend the Liv tour paid caddies expenses which was a fantastic move and something so minor that the PGA could do in its mega money making system to make it easier for those struggling but fails to do so. Yet nobody seems to care about it

I still stand by my opinion that if the PGA tour either changed or accepted the Liv tour to co excist and have players playing in both there would be more than enough share of the pie for all parties

But the PGA don't want to share. They imo ofc appear weak in their decision to suspend players

I don’t recall anyone ever saying the PGA Tour is perfect , no tour will satisfy everyone

And paying caddies - again that’s just all about the money but the tours don’t employ the caddies , that’s the players

Let’s be honest the LIV Tour doesn’t want to “share” - it wants the top players hence the offers of hundreds of millions and huge prize funds and when the likes of BDC arrive guess who gets shifted out - those lower level players that you were concerned about

 

[fenwayrich]

Which at the same time My opinion should be respected and it's also valid . Works both ways.

I don't understand how whatever the situation the PGA tour come up smelling of roses and can do no wrong.

Over the weekend the Liv tour paid caddies expenses which was a fantastic move and something so minor that the PGA could do in its mega money making system to make it easier for those struggling but fails to do so. Yet nobody seems to care about it

I still stand by my opinion that if the PGA tour either changed or accepted the Liv tour to co excist and have players playing in both there would be more than enough share of the pie for all parties

But the PGA don't want to share. They imo ofc appear weak in their decision to suspend players

Why sbould the PGA tour pay caddies? Caddies are employed by the golfers who are self employed individuals. In every profession I know a self employed person has to fund his expenses, which are offsettable against tax. An accountant doesn't ask the person whose books he/she/ is preparing to pay for professional subscriptions or secretarial support. Those expenses are paid for out of the income generated. If accountants are useless and lose clients, they make a LOSS. It is the same for all self employed professions.

 

[PJ87]

It’s also factually correct apart from the last sentence which is my opinion

Each tour have their events which are heavily loaded and during those events the lower ranked players move down and play on the challenge tour - same in the PGA , surely you have seen that over the years


I don’t recall anyone ever saying the PGA Tour is perfect , no tour will satisfy everyone

And paying caddies - again that’s just all about the money but the tours don’t employ the caddies , that’s the players

Let’s be honest the LIV Tour doesn’t want to “share” - it wants the top players hence the offers of hundreds of millions and huge prize funds and when the likes of BDC arrive guess who gets shifted out - those lower level players that you were concerned about

The little player that could possibly be shafted out will have made more money last weekend to make up for it. I'm sure they will have factored that into their decision

Sam horsefield made more than any of his wins finishing 5th, that will put him on good footing.

Last place could drop out and still will be steading their ship.

Covering the expenses of the caddies was a nice touch and I think the PGA could easily follow suit.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Ffs
Agree to disagree and move on,
If this thread deteriorates someone is in for a slap

 

[PJ87]

Why sbould the PGA tour pay caddies expenses? Caddies are employed by the golfers who are self employed individuals. In every profession I know a self employed person has to fund his expenses, which are offsettable against tax. An accountant doesn't ask the person whose books he/she/her is preparing to pay for his professional subscriptions or secretarial support. Those expenses are paid for out of the income generated. If accountants are useless and lose clients, they make a LOSS. It is the same for all self employed professions.

If that player fails to make the cut they have to cover their costs and the caddies putting strain on their finances

If it was covered by the tour at least if a player goes through bad form they know the caddy would still be not out of pocket and they could carry on for longer without having to think about not entering as can't afford.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Why were there no cries about how terrible the PGA Tour is before the Saudis started handing out $$$$?

 

[PJ87]

Why were there no cries about how terrible the PGA Tour is before the Saudis started handing out $$$$?

Because the hypocrisy of the PGA wasn't being highlighted by them trying to shoot down Saudi tour for things they do themsleves ie take dirty money

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Treatment of caddies has long since been a topic of debate on the PGA tour.
Food, accommodation etc

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Treatment of caddies has long since been a topic of debate on the PGA tour.
Food, accommodation etc

Maybe as independent contractors the caddies need to negotiate a better deal for themselves ??‍

 

[PJ87]

Maybe as independent contractors the caddies need to negotiate a better deal for themselves ??‍

Assume they aren't banned from the tour?

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Maybe as independent contractors the caddies need to negotiate a better deal for themselves ??‍

Indeed. That is their prerogative.
Bones sacked Mickleson because he didn’t pay him.
Others have moved on when their player wasn’t winning/successful.
But it’s the player and not the tour which is responsible for paying the caddy.

 

[PJ87]

Indeed. That is their prerogative.
Bones sacked Mickleson because he didn’t pay him.
Others have moved on when their player wasn’t winning/successful.
But it’s the player and not the tour which is responsible for paying the caddy.

However is that because "it's how it's always been" or has it been looked at to and decided that's the best way or has it been overlooked?

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Indeed. That is their prerogative.
Bones sacked Mickleson because he didn’t pay him.
Others have moved on when their player wasn’t winning/successful.
But it’s the player and not the tour which is responsible for paying the caddy.

I know.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

However is that because "it's how it's always been" or has it been looked at to and decided that's the best way or has it been overlooked?

I couldn’t give a crap

 

[Backsticks]

Treatment of caddies has long since been a topic of debate on the PGA tour.
Food, accommodation etc

It may be unpopular, but I do think caddies should be given food. Everyone has to eat.