LIV Golf

[Barking_Mad]

But if theyre allowed to go into every other sport I do not understand why golf has to be the sport to take the moral high ground?

If everyone in your golf group cheated during a round, would you?

I certainly think its a generational thing, but so many of my friends could not care less about all these arguments, all we care about is the entertainment on offer - we are not politicians.

Entertainment is greater than ethics and some sense or right and wrong?

 

[Swango1980]

If everyone in your golf group cheated during a round, would you?

Not sure that was the point that was being made. He might be annoyed if he was singled out for cheating though, if everyone else in his golf group were allowed to get away with it .

 

[woofers]

I understand the silence from European / DP Tour, it was Pelley who took the tour to Saudi in the first place, and the sixes to Centurion.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

The other that didn't receive so much coverage was the Asian tour holding an event in the UK. Keith Pelley made reference to it.

Keith Pelley and @Maninblack4612 ?. Both did decent reviews.

 

[BubbaP]

The last few weeks has had me reflecting on a lot of things. I found Rahm's comments on the Ryder Cup interesting.
In essence the Ryder Cup for many years was the European Tour vs. US PGA Tour - they are who hold the keys.
More recently it has felt more like PGA Tour vs. PGA Tour, with majority of the European guys only bit part contributors on genuine European events.
I like watching Rahm play golf, and he seems a decent guy - however I really view him as another US American these days. A far cry from Seve, Olazabal IMO.
Not his fault, he needed to follow the well trodden path to be successful, US college, US home, US wife etc.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The fly in the ointment that can see is that they will still be chasing the top players who, in the main, are based in USA...
They don't mind a couple of weeks away from home a couple of times a year but if this happens and they take on existing tour events..Will the players want to travel that far..?
Could get interesting

It has the potential to be very messy

Couple years back the ET had the chance to jump in with the Saudi’s but instead decided on a stronger partnership with PGA which helped The Scottish and Irish Opens gain big sponsers and they are now co sanctioned events

If Pelly decides to go back on that then it will get messy

You will certainly have a split between the two tours if that happens and it won’t be pretty

What will happen to the events - will they just take over the ET and stick with the events the ET has or will it be a mix

The biggest winners out of all this could be some players earning a lot of money

 

[AussieKB]

Interesting listening to Cam Smith about the PGA holding an event in OZ before LIV do, seem to recall they had a World event in Melbourne and they failed to attract many Yanks, reason was they did not want to travel so far from the States.

Be interested to see what the US PGA players think about leaving home now that there is a challenger out there.

 

[rksquire]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1536752516175650816

Perfectly put ??

It's a well put point of view - but it's not the only point of view. Traditionalists have found a way to accept the multiple cricket formats on offer; golf doesn't have to be the same it's always been - it can change to increase its appeal.

This thread (and often the forum unfortunately) doesn't seem to generate reasonable discussion; opinions seem to be singular (it's either good or bad) in nature with opposing views dismissed or attacked rather than fairly discussed. Maybe that's the world now, things (any thing) just seem to be polarizing.

I'm not (yet) a fan of LIV golf but I did like many aspects of it; I enjoyed the Canadian Open far more and I am a fan of the PGA Tour - but I don't see it as being a potential problem in the future enjoying both.

I've watched a lot of the US Open Press Conferences - Rahm and McIlroy did well, were comfortable, not so much Phil & Brooks. Morikawa's was actually excellent with regard to LIV questions - I find myself liking him more and more. McIlroy fielded a question very well and it's an answer I hadn't thought of - basically "isn't this the same as leaving the ET and coming to the PGA for money?" - he answered by stating where the majors are and how you build your legacy as justification but also pointed out nothing is guaranteed (money or tournaments), you still have to earn it. That's not the case currently with LIV. He also said "I don't work for the PGA Tour, they work for me", which was funny, but also telling.

 

[AussieKB]

It's a well put point of view - but it's not the only point of view. Traditionalists have found a way to accept the multiple cricket formats on offer; golf doesn't have to be the same it's always been - it can change to increase its appeal.

This thread (and often the forum unfortunately) doesn't seem to generate reasonable discussion; opinions seem to be singular (it's either good or bad) in nature with opposing views dismissed or attacked rather fairly discussed. Maybe that's the world now, things (any thing) just seem to be polarizing.

I'm not (yet) a fan of LIV golf but I did like many aspects of it; I enjoyed the Canadian Open far more and I am a fan of the PGA Tour - but I don't see it as being a potential problem in the future enjoying both.

I've watched a lot of the US Open Press Conferences - Rahm and McIlroy did well, were comfortable, not so much Phil & Brooks. Morikawa's was actually excellent with regard to LIV questions - I find myself liking him more and more. McIlroy fielded a question very well and it's an answer I hadn't thought of - basically "isn't this the same as leaving the ET and coming to the PGA for money?" - he answered by stating where the majors are and how you build your legacy as justification but also pointed out nothing is guaranteed (money or tournaments), you still have to earn it. That's not the case currently with LIV. He also said "I don't work for the PGA Tour, they work for me", which was funny, but also telling.

I thought they were supposed to be Individual contractors, and as far as winning Majors, how many players really have the ability to win them, I know there is always the odd exception, but overall 20, 30 or 40 players.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

I thought they were supposed to be Individual contractors, and as far as winning Majors, how many players really have the ability to win them, I know there is always the odd exception, but overall 20, 30 or 40 players.

They are. But when they sign a contract to play on a tour, they are bound by the rules of that tour.
No one has to sign up for the PGA tour, they could all play in SA, Australia, Asia, and/or Europe etc if they preferred. Or indeed, LIV.

 

[sweaty sock]

The fly in the ointment that can see is that they will still be chasing the top players who, in the main, are based in USA...
They don't mind a couple of weeks away from home a couple of times a year but if this happens and they take on existing tour events..Will the players want to travel that far..?
Could get interesting

I think it could be the end of the euro tour (which I could argue happened some years ago). We would be left with a PGA US tour. And a DP/LIV World tour, with no attachment to europe. Locations could be chosen to best fit as could prizes.

 

[sweaty sock]

If the Saudi's bought the DP Tour, what would have been the point of LIV? Surely they'd just buy DP and then turn it into the global tour they are trying with LIV, throwing extortionate money at the players.

Its already affiliated with Majors and OWGR...

 

[Slab]

They are. But when they sign a contract to play on a tour, they are bound by the rules of that tour.
No one has to sign up for the PGA tour, they could all play in SA, Australia, Asia, and/or Europe etc if they preferred. Or indeed, LIV.

I'm sure there's players who'd love to play on tours closer to home but to get OWGR points (for entry into non pgat events) they have to chase where the points are. And of the dozen or so tours that issue owgr points the majority of points (rightly or wrongly) are awarded to players on the pgat
Not quite, but a bit of chicken and egg dilemma

 

[Deleted member 1147]

I'm sure there's players who'd love to play on tours closer to home but to get OWGR points (for entry into non pgat events) they have to chase where the points are. And of the dozen or so tours that issue owgr points the majority of points (rightly or wrongly) are awarded to players on the pgat
Not quite, but a bit of chicken and egg dilemma

If the tour is so bad, as the Norman's of the world would have us believe, the US players could have signed contracts elsewhere, thus pushing up OWGR points elsewhere, and putting two fingers up to the tour. But instead they've always stuck with the PGA tour.
Perhaps that way change could have followed.

 

[sweaty sock]

If the tour is so bad, as the Norman's of the world would have us believe, the US players could have signed contracts elsewhere, thus pushing up OWGR points elsewhere, and putting two fingers up to the tour. But instead they've always stuck with the PGA tour.
Perhaps that way change could have followed.

Which is more proof should it be needed that money has always been the driver....

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Which is more proof should it be needed that money has always been the driver....

Of course it has

 

[AussieKB]

If the tour is so bad, as the Norman's of the world would have us believe, the US players could have signed contracts elsewhere, thus pushing up OWGR points elsewhere, and putting two fingers up to the tour. But instead they've always stuck with the PGA tour.
Perhaps that way change could have followed.

And when have you seen the average yank travel.....took Arnie to go to the Open to open that door, Tiger will go if you pay him 1 Million
plus all the European players going to the States has hurt the ET, but with most of them going to college in the US now it is understandable that there allegence is with the US

 

[Deleted member 1147]

And when have you seen the average yank travel.....took Arnie to go to the Open to open that door, Tiger will go if you pay him 1 Million
plus all the European players going to the States has hurt the ET, but with most of them going to college in the US now it is understandable that there allegence is with the US

In other words, the players themselves are the problem with the PGA tour dominance, and not the tour in of itself.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

And when have you seen the average yank travel.....took Arnie to go to the Open to open that door, Tiger will go if you pay him 1 Million
plus all the European players going to the States has hurt the ET, but with most of them going to college in the US now it is understandable that there allegence is with the US

Good job all the Aussie players stayed home to support the tour down under eah? Oh wait………

 

[sweaty sock]

In other words, the players themselves are the problem with the PGA tour dominance, and not the tour in of itself.

As we saw on thursday, players will travel for money... also see exhibit a: saudi International, exhibit b: Zozo