clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
I don’t know one.
But know a few 16 cappers who love it.
Handicap manipulation - how to address
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But know a few 16 cappers who love it.
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
Its entirely not your problem but what about the players with 5-10 handicaps, 10-15 handicaps and 15-20 handicaps etc that find they also can't win against the blaggers? (blaggers = those ex single fig players at the club now with handicaps in the teens, I think they were described as a few pages back)
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
We have multiple swindles that use pre Whs methods and their own HC systems - both seem to help provide a more balanced level of winners
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
Is the handicap prize sweep optional as well ?
WorldHandicapSystem
Active member
Why not just run a raffle?
Arthur Wedge
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Sorry not sure the point
hambugerpete
Active member
I'm not sure whats changed , since I have played the lower handicap guys have always complained that everything is won by high handicap golfers.
It's always snacks of a sense of entitlement to me , like in how dare a guy shoot 100 and beat me.
Surely just have divisions for your comps.
The low guys always clear up on the twos at my place and most others I guess. Shall keep my pound in protest .
Thintowin
Active member
We had a healthy competition environment. Very few bandits, if any.
What's changed is that a well run club, from a handicap perspective anyway, has had the majority of that control taken off it.
WHS is a lowest common denominator leveller. Those clubs that were less controlled before aren't likely to see the difference I guess.
wjemather
Well-known member
Education about WHS is an ongoing process that requires regular comms - it's not something that was just done in the run-up to implementation in 2020 and then forgotten about. EG made another big push last year for clubs to educate their members regarding WHS responsibilities - perhaps your club missed that.
You make it sound like you want us to force players to submit scores, which I'm sure is not the case.
WorldHandicapSystem
Active member
One here for a start. As I’ve said before. I’ve not once since it’s launch had any other genuine low single figure player bring up WHS in conversation.
I doubt genuine low single figure players have any real interest in the goings on of higher handicappers.
I don’t have the stats to back it up, and I’ve said it before. The disgruntled appear to be aging golfers who were mid single figures but now have an index that is steadily creeping up, or keeping a vanity handicap which is manifesting as a feeling of being uncompetitive. Many of them seem to think that being single figures makes them special and that should be treated as such.
The way people play and enjoy golf is changing. Thankfully it’s becoming less formal and more relaxed. Which I think is what’s really upsetting some!
Anyway, must run, need to text Albert for winning the new year senior 9 hole stableford. He batted well for his 27 points
WorldHandicapSystem
Active member
If you are having to massage handicaps to spread the winning evenly. You might as well hold a raffle.Sorry not sure the point
hambugerpete
Active member
I'm sorry I don't really understand your point.
The same whine about high handicaps is as old as the hills
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Stuff from over decade, same old story
wjemather
Well-known member
There are several on here.
None of the lows at our club have been lamenting the change either, but then we have always run comps in handicap divisions, so they've never been pitted against dozens of 20+ handicappers every week.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
There is no “massaging” - a system was put into place to ensure everyone has a fair chance of competing
bobmac
Major Champion
As a way of encouraging low handicappers back into club comps, give them the choice between the net comp or a gross comp?
Over the years I've played at clubs where they had divisions but the overall winner was best nett. Not brilliant.
I've also played at clubs where they had a mandatory nett entry fee and an extra fee for the gross comp so you had to pay twice. Not ideal
Then there's the clubs where they had no gross prize at all. Waste of time.
''I'd like to enter the comp please''
Pro: Certainly, that will be £3. Gross or nett ?
Over the years I've played at clubs where they had divisions but the overall winner was best nett. Not brilliant.
I've also played at clubs where they had a mandatory nett entry fee and an extra fee for the gross comp so you had to pay twice. Not ideal
Then there's the clubs where they had no gross prize at all. Waste of time.
''I'd like to enter the comp please''
Pro: Certainly, that will be £3. Gross or nett ?
hambugerpete
Active member
Not a new phenomenon either, many swindles have always had their own system , often very aggressive to make sure there is a good spread of winners.
This was happening long before whs
hambugerpete
Active member
I think you'd have a very small number of entrants.
Thintowin
Active member
The old we're ok so why aren't you and it's always been this way arguments. I take those sort of responses as an admission of defeat I'm afraid. Not to mention the nonsense, out of context, replies from some others.
When I joined this forum I was immediately accused of trolling. Strange how that's worked out.
When I joined this forum I was immediately accused of trolling. Strange how that's worked out.
AussieKB
Well-known member
Well I'm approaching 72 very quickly and still single figures.......but hope to become a double digit handicapper soon, then I might win the odd nett event....with the OZ HS I can go up 5 a year, so will make a start at that level next year if I'm lucky, just means another year of battling the young guys for gross awards.
bobmac
Major Champion
Wouldn't that depend on the amount of low h/caps
Yes, but the swindles were in addition to the comps, not instead of
That just shows you how long the better players have been feeling disadvantaged
Yeup, because there's a lot of skill involved in winning a raffle
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