Football European super league.

[Deleted member 15344]

How do you stay competitive without promotion and relegation or competeing to qualify for a bigger comp and why if you left shoukd you be allowed back in, you'd still have national leagues and Euro Cups, just without the so called Big Clubs.
Celtic would be massive in a European League, just not for footballing reasons.

The Euro Cups would just vanish and they would create some sort of other cup between them. Yes the other leagues would still be around in the same way the other leagues still exists in Rugby Lge and Rugby Union. The competition would be heathy and massive between all the biggest clubs in Europe - people will watch around the world. It will be like the CL ( which just keeps getting bigger ) but extended throughout the season.

Interest wouldn't wane from around the world and could see it being extended to add more teams as it got bigger.

It nearly become a very real league about a decade or so ago until UEFA said they would change the CL - it will always be a cloud hanging over the game and clubs won't b afraid to play games all over the world because they know they would fill stadiums

 

[Doon frae Troon]

It looks like the top European players will be off to China in the next few years.
Not sure if the European TV ratings will be able to cope with showing second rate sides.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

The Euro Cups would just vanish and they would create some sort of other cup between them. Yes the other leagues would still be around in the same way the other leagues still exists in Rugby Lge and Rugby Union. The competition would be heathy and massive between all the biggest clubs in Europe - people will watch around the world. It will be like the CL ( which just keeps getting bigger ) but extended throughout the season.

Interest wouldn't wane from around the world and could see it being extended to add more teams as it got bigger.

It nearly become a very real league about a decade or so ago until UEFA said they would change the CL - it will always be a cloud hanging over the game and clubs won't b afraid to play games all over the world because they know they would fill stadiums

Fantasy stuff to suggest people will keep watching if there are only the same sides every year and sooner or later there will be a divide in the breakaway league between those that can afford to pay top wages and those that can't or won't and that will dilute it further. Fans in Europe won't pay inflated prices to see their teams and sending around the year is hardly a Euro super league then. It becomes a travelling circus that sooner or later the big clubs from other continents will demand entry too further diluting the game at the top level even further. A poor idea brought about by nothing more than financial greed by those clubs already dining at the top table of football and reaping the cash harvest already

 

[Tashyboy]

Don't wanna sound like an "alright Jack" but the first two fixtures I look for every year are the rags home and away. Then Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea. Yeah I would still see those teams every year but it would not be the same. Would find it hard to get excited looking for ? borrusia Dortmund.
Do fans think the ticket price will stay the same when Southampton are dropped for the likes of Real Madrid.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Don't wanna sound like an "alright Jack" but the first two fixtures I look for every year are the rags home and away. Then Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea. Yeah I would still see those teams every year but it would not be the same. Would find it hard to get excited looking for ? borrusia Dortmund.
Do fans think the ticket price will stay the same when Southampton are dropped for the likes of Real Madrid.

But then you would be playing teams like

Barce
Real
Bayern
Milan
Juve
PSG

Plus all the big teams - it would be like CL every weekend

All the best players under one league playing against each other.

That's what will appeal to worldwide viewers and the money men

 

[richy]

Don't know if it's already been said but I'd love to see this happen. Not for entertainment reasons but just because it would be great for them to go and leave the other 87 league teams to get on with things.

Wont be long before the novelty wears off and fans are being priced out and the crowds will be full of plastic fans. As for travelling away support that'll be a thing of the past and there'd be nothing to stop home games being played in America or Asia. Be absolutley boring with nothing to play for. No promotion or relegation and who's going to challenge Barca or Bayern for the title??

I don't see it happening myself. Money is ruining the game as far as I'm concerned and I'm starting to lose touch with it. I could have had a season ticket for next season but due to my feelings towards the game and our chairman I've decided to invest the money into a golf membership instead. I'll probably watch more non league football next season. Cheaper admission and cheaper pie and a pint.

This.

It won't happen and even if it did it wouldn't last very long.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

As much as I'm against it I definitely see a Euro League working on a world scale, Man Utd V Barca in Singapore woukd sell out, live on ppv, it's a financial dream, the more I think about it, the more I believe it could work.
Let's be honest they stopped caring about the man in the street years ago.
Any English club in the Euro League would guarantee a sell out every home game.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

As much as I'm against it I definitely see a Euro League working on a world scale, Man Utd V Barca in Singapore woukd sell out, live on ppv, it's a financial dream, the more I think about it, the more I believe it could work.
Let's be honest they stopped caring about the man in the street years ago.
Any English club in the Euro League would guarantee a sell out every home game.

Exactly that - suggestions that it wouldn't last need to just look and see how big and popular the CL is now around the world

 

[Tiger]

The drive for this is the fear Barca, Real and the others have about the Premier League TV money. What they don't understand is that the issue is there own causing. Bayern's dominance, the El Clasico duopoly, the Italian fixing scandal these things made those competitions less appealing to the TV money men. The Premier League is great because of the potential for upset not the dominance of a couple of massive clubs. What Leicester are doing this season makes it even more attractive...

I think this will go the same way as the last conversation they had and lead to a revamp of the Champions League and Europa League

 

[Doon frae Troon]

If Leicester win the EPL will they be considered a 'big team' and included in the proposed super league.

or

Is it more about money than quality.

Most of us cannot remember when Liverpool last won the EPL [or indeed if they have] yet they are being considered, surely teams like Ajax and Celtic have a better case for inclusion than Liverpool.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Are there enough "Super" teams to make it both viable and interesting.

On current playing ability there are, at most, four or five top teams in Europe. Italian football is in a mess financially, only one team in France and Bayern completely in a class of their own in Germany.

How long would it take the English clubs to become competitive? After all according to Alan Hansen Liverpool need to spend £200m to win the PL so how much would they need to go toe to toe with Barca, Real or Bayern.

There may be an appeal to the tourist fans in USA & Asia but domestically and after the initial enthusiasm the appeal would wane.

More likely to succeed on an NFL/franchise basis with teams ultimately being based overseas.

Hard to be a Liverpool or Arsenal supporter when they are based in Shanghai or Boston.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

The first issue would be the financial rewards for the teams to want them to join, so let's say they start with 18 teams,

Arsenal
Chelsea
Liverpool
Man City
Man Utd
Barca
Real Madrid
Athletico Madrid
Bayern Munich
Dortmund
Juventus
Inter
AC Milan
PSG
Monaco
Ajax
PSV
Celtic

That's 18 teams that would worldwide interest, as much as Mickie's right about supporters, who cares so long as the money comes in.

Take the games round the world like they do with F1, Week 1 9 Matches in the Far East, Week 2 Middle East etc

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If Leicester win the EPL will they be considered a 'big team' and included in the proposed super league.

or

Is it more about money than quality.

Most of us cannot remember when Liverpool last won the EPL [or indeed if they have] yet they are being considered, surely teams like Ajax and Celtic have a better case for inclusion than Liverpool.

Why are you continually focusing on Liverpool ?

It's all about which clubs would bring the worldwide appeal

That's why even if Leicester won the EPL they wouldn't be included

 

[garyinderry]

All this talk of over seas fans is nonsense.

If every single one of Man Uniteds"fans" paid just one pound then they could spend 600 million next year. They may say they support United, click follow on twitter but they don't put the money directly from into their pockets.

They may be overseas football fans, cheer on United on TV, but to call them fans is a nonsense.



If this euro super league was formed I would pack in caring. Or at least hope that arsenal would pull out at the last minute and try to win the league at home with the big boys on permanent holiday.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

All this talk of over seas fans is nonsense.

If every single one of Man Uniteds"fans" paid just one pound then they could spend 600 million next year. They may say they support United, click follow on twitter but they don't put the money directly from into their pockets.

They may be overseas football fans, cheer on United on TV, but to call them fans is a nonsense.



If this euro super league was formed I would pack in caring. Or at least hope that arsenal would pull out at the last minute and try to win the league at home with the big boys on permanent holiday.

Tell that to the LPool fans who bragged about selling out every match on their tour of Asia and Australia, kit sales alone make the Clubs millions, so a bit unfair to say they're not fans,

 

[Deleted member 18588]

The appeal of football in the long term lies in its tribalism. You cannot create this and any overseas fans drawn to a match may well prove to be only temporary in their support until the next "trend" comes along.

As for 18 teams with a worldwide appeal; Ajax, Monaco, PSV really? And Celtic's overseas appeal lies almost exclusively in exiled Scots and Irish so might be an attraction in North America or Australasia but not likely to be a big pull in say Thailand or China.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

The appeal of football in the long term lies in its tribalism. You cannot create this and any overseas fans drawn to a match may well prove to be only temporary in their support until the next "trend" comes along.

As for 18 teams with a worldwide appeal; Ajax, Monaco, PSV really? And Celtic's overseas appeal lies almost exclusively in exiled Scots and Irish so might be an attraction in North America or Australasia but not likely to be a big pull in say Thailand or China.

Not disagreeing and the 18 was just a 2 minute guess, surely part of any future league will have problems deciding who gets invited and who doesn't, imagine if they said max 3 teams from any one Country, it would be fun watching the bickering over who is top 3 from England.

 

[garyinderry]

Tell that to the LPool fans who bragged about selling out every match on their tour of Asia and Australia, kit sales alone make the Clubs millions, so a bit unfair to say they're not fans,

If I lived in Asia or Australia I would go to see any of the big teams that come on tour. I would go as a fan of football, it doesn't make me a fan of the club.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

If I lived in Asia or Australia I would go to see any of the big teams that come on tour. I would go as a fan of football, it doesn't make me a fan of the club.

Not in that scenario no, but if you lived, dreamed and breathed one team like some do, you'd consider yourself a fan and would go to the match as a fan and probably not go to other matches.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

But you cannot create support.

Look at the NFL games at Wembley, they sell out because of their scarcity value and, judging by the shirts worn, are attended by the fans of virtually every team in the league. But what would happen if a London franchise was created? Support would have to be developed over years.

If European Super League games were regularly played overseas the novelty would wear off and domestic support could also wane as the "product" on offer would not have the same appeal as the original.