Dress Code - Who is responsible?

[Deleted member 15344]

Blimey it's always the same people complaining about dress codes - and it's always the same answer - if you don't like the dress code at any club then don't play at that club. I expect the clubs that have strict dress codes don't have to worry about lack of numbers.

If someone offered you a free round at Augusta but you had to wear jacket and tie after how many are going to turn it down because of jacket and tie

 

[guest100718]

Blimey it's always the same people complaining about dress codes - and it's always the same answer - if you don't like the dress code at any club then don't play at that club. I expect the clubs that have strict dress codes don't have to worry about lack of numbers.

If someone offered you a free round at Augusta but you had to wear jacket and tie after how many are going to turn it down because of jacket and tie

yh yh.... and it's the same old reply from you.

 

[Imurg]

Blimey it's always the same people complaining about dress codes - and it's always the same answer - if you don't like the dress code at any club then don't play at that club. I expect the clubs that have strict dress codes don't have to worry about lack of numbers.

If someone offered you a free round at Augusta but you had to wear jacket and tie after how many are going to turn it down because of jacket and tie

Answer this for me Phil - and not with the "it's their bat and ball"...
What is the point of requiring a jacket over golf attire in order to have lunch..?

 

[garyinderry]

Serious question....
What is the point of that?
I can understand jacket and tie or neither but to go half and half is just ridiculous...Jacket over golf gear..?
Someone's been at the Port ....

Bunkers :rofl:

 

[richy]

Answer this for me Phil - and not with the "it's their bat and ball"...
What is the point of requiring a jacket over golf attire in order to have lunch..?

I was going to ask that. Why do you have to wear a jacket? What is the reason for it?

 

[MendieGK]

I was going to ask that. Why do you have to wear a jacket? What is the reason for it?

It was the same at St George's hill, and also Woking. No issues with it but also don't see the point

 

[FairwayDodger]

Blimey it's always the same people complaining about dress codes - and it's always the same answer - if you don't like the dress code at any club then don't play at that club. I expect the clubs that have strict dress codes don't have to worry about lack of numbers.

If someone offered you a free round at Augusta but you had to wear jacket and tie after how many are going to turn it down because of jacket and tie

I don't think the issue was the dress code itself, just that you needed to be psychic to know what it was.

It's a bit of an issue if the club doesn't explain what is required in advance. What I often notice is that even when they do it's always "jacket and tie" with no mention of a women's dress code. I might bring a jacket and tie south with me at the end of the month - just for the bantz!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Answer this for me Phil - and not with the "it's their bat and ball"...
What is the point of requiring a jacket over golf attire in order to have lunch..?

Maybe it's because they want to have a standard of dress and people to look smart . But Doesn't matter what the point is - it's their rules , if you don't like it then don't play their - it's not any simplier than that.

If it's a course that I want to play and they require a jacket and tie then I put it on for the hour or so required

 

[Papas1982]

I don't think the issue was the dress code itself, just that you needed to be psychic to know what it was.

It's a bit of an issue if the club doesn't explain what is required in advance. What I often notice is that even when they do it's always "jacket and tie" with no mention of a women's dress code. I might bring a jacket and tie south with me at the end of the month - just for the bantz!

Do it!

I always threaten to wear a skirt to work as our office is ridiculously hot in summer and the ladies walk around in small tops and skirts whilst I'm stuck in a suit.

Would love to see our 85 yr directors face!

 

[richy]

It was the same at St George's hill, and also Woking. No issues with it but also don't see the point

Yeah I've no issues with it and I'd where one if I wanted to play the course. Just wonder why they want people to do it in 2017?

 

[richy]

Maybe it's because they want to have a standard of dress and people to look smart . But Doesn't matter what the point is - it's their rules , if you don't like it then don't play their - it's not any simplier than that.

If it's a course that I want to play and they require a jacket and tie then I put it on for the hour or so required

So he asked you not to give the same old answer of "it's their club" but you did it anyway. Unbelievable

 

[Ross61]

I don't think the issue was the dress code itself, just that you needed to be psychic to know what it was.

It's a bit of an issue if the club doesn't explain what is required in advance. What I often notice is that even when they do it's always "jacket and tie" with no mention of a women's dress code. I might bring a jacket and tie south with me at the end of the month - just for the bantz!

Are you saying Women are allowed in the clubhouse! Whatever next?

 

[Fish]

It's simply tradition, and whilst there are those members still on the committees that can remember when it was never questioned, it will remain in force.

I have no issue with the traditions of this great game and seeing them still implemented, but like many areas of that game, it doesn't need to be devalued, but at the same time unless your an exclusive invitation only or artisan style club, then if you want to play their course you simply adhere to their rules of attendance or play somewhere else if it bothers you that much.

However, where it's simply a members club that will be well known and enjoys the fruits of many visiting societies which enables those clubs to invest that revenue in themselves and help membership fees stay controlled, there has to be a balance, and if you get that balance wrong and eventually the old guard moves on to pastures new, it's hard to turn the clock back if a poor experience has been endured, irrelevant of how decent the course is.

Cheques and balances just like death & taxes.

I'm all for wearing a jacket & tie AFTER my round but I do find it rather strange to have to shower & change into a J & T for a rolling lunch only to have to go back out again.

Nowt stranger than folk as they say.

 

[GB72]

It is the randomness that gets me. Jacket and tie in the dining room i can just about get but jacket over golf gear sounds like pomposity for the sake of it. Always remeber at my old club the invitation day has 2 start times. Anyone finishing before 6 could have their meal wearing golf gear but those coming off the course after 6 had to wear jacket and tie

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So he asked you not to give the same old answer of "it's their club" but you did it anyway. Unbelievable

Because it's the right answer- it makes not one single bit of difference what their reasons are - they don't have to justify what their rules are to anyone but their own members and they are the ones who make the rules. Don't like it well just go somewhere else as a society.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I don't think the issue was the dress code itself, just that you needed to be psychic to know what it was.

It's a bit of an issue if the club doesn't explain what is required in advance. What I often notice is that even when they do it's always "jacket and tie" with no mention of a women's dress code. I might bring a jacket and tie south with me at the end of the month - just for the bantz!

At my clubs last committee meeting dress code was raised as someone, shock horror, had been seen in the bar recently wearing a cap. Clearly that individual will now be found and flogged but whilst this was being discussed what of the committee asked about his shirt being untucked. He feels more comfortable with his shirt out as, in his words, he has a big belly 😁. A few members dived into him but the owner, we are not a member owned club, stated that when he watches the ladies team play they all play with their shirts out of their trousers, skirts, skorts or shorts. "We have equality in this club so if the ladies all dress this way then so can the men". I had a ridiculously large grin on my face 😁.

FD, do you find many clubs have dress codes for women that are equally old hat as men's sections and if so what is outdated for you?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I don't think the issue was the dress code itself, just that you needed to be psychic to know what it was.

It's a bit of an issue if the club doesn't explain what is required in advance. What I often notice is that even when they do it's always "jacket and tie" with no mention of a women's dress code. I might bring a jacket and tie south with me at the end of the month - just for the bantz!

Sorry yes the initial OP from Sam was more about the communication from the club which was imo a bit of fault on both parties

But as with all threads about dress codes they always go in the direction of the same people with the same cry and complaints about dress codes and the answer is the same every time - don't go to a club if you don't like their dress code - that way you won't be offended by their choice and rules

 

[GB72]

So if you see an attitude or behaviour that you feel is out moded or out of date it is wrong to comment against it. No female members, membership based on class or race all ok just dont go to the club if you dont like it. Personally I find it objectionable that in the 21st century people are judged by the clothes they wear but hey, its their club so maybe i should just bury my head in the sand.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So if you see an attitude or behaviour that you feel is out moded or out of date it is wrong to comment against it. No female members, membership based on class or race all ok just dont go to the club if you dont like it. Personally I find it objectionable that in the 21st century people are judged by the clothes they wear but hey, its their club so maybe i should just bury my head in the sand.

Is it not true that the judgement based on what people wear or dress codes it's from both ends of the spectrum ? How many people on this thread alone have judged a club and indeed it's members based on their dress code ?

Discrimination based on sex or race is incomparable - they have laws to ensure they don't happen. No one is discriminated against when it comes to a dress code

 

[GB72]

Its the same principle based on the argument that if you feel something is not right you should just move on. Plenty of people i know at clubs feel discriminated against due to antiquated dress codes. If you want to run 2 arguments side by side it is disriminatory in many instances as the equivalent female code when the dress code is jacket and tie is smart dress or suit but you do not see that applied.