Crossfield v Whoever

[GolfRaver]

Whoever has fit you should check the lofts (amongst other things) before giving you the clubs. You could also have a gap test. And you’d hopefully know if there are any issues when hitting the clubs and get them rectified if required. It’s fairly easy for a fitter to adjust the club.
But as people have said, the idea of hitting every club / shaft / grip combo for every club isn’t economical so buying based on hitting one club is the norm.
Generally you’d need to know if you prefer a hybrid or long iron to know where you want your set of irons to start, though fitters should be able to help and advise on such issues.

 

[Orikoru]

Whoever has fit you should check the lofts (amongst other things) before giving you the clubs. You could also have a gap test. And you’d hopefully know if there are any issues when hitting the clubs and get them rectified if required. It’s fairly easy for a fitter to adjust the club.
But as people have said, the idea of hitting every club / shaft / grip combo for every club isn’t economical so buying based on hitting one club is the norm.
Generally you’d need to know if you prefer a hybrid or long iron to know where you want your set of irons to start, though fitters should be able to help and advise on such issues.

You wouldn't know though - my current irons are off the rack and strong lofted, and I can only really hit the 7 downwards. If I got fitted irons with traditional lofts, I'd expect to be able to hit the 6 iron too.. but the 5? Who knows.

 

[Crow]

You wouldn't know though - my current irons are off the rack and strong lofted, and I can only really hit the 7 downwards. If I got fitted irons with traditional lofts, I'd expect to be able to hit the 6 iron too.. but the 5? Who knows.

If you got traditional lofts, which most seem to call 1990s lofts, then the 5 iron would have the same loft as your strong 7 iron.

Going back to my favourite date of 1970 the 4 iron would have the same loft as your strong 7 iron, so you'd be able to hit a 4 iron and a 3 iron would be in your grasp, go vintage!

 

[road2ruin]

Seems like the chip on Crossfield's shoulder continues to grow with his latest spat with other YouTubers....



This is in response to Peter Finches upload with regards a hammer putter....



Rick Shiels waded in....



Other YouTubers (Alex from Orka included) also joined the mix however it really doesn't show MC in a good light. I do find Finch and Shiels a little 'click baity' but it's obviously working for them, they both have more subs than MC, in Shiels case he's not on 1.24m subscribers. Remember when they were neck and neck?! There is obviously room on YouTube for all sorts of different content but starting posts in a holier than thou type attitude that MC does just makes him look pathetic. Some viewers will like the PF/RS type content whilst others will enjoy watching MC's, space for all IMO. I'm sure there is bitterness from MC that his sub numbers have plateaued even though he was one of the first to use the platform in this way.

 

[Bazz]

Seems like the chip on Crossfield's shoulder continues to grow with his latest spat with other YouTubers....

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This is in response to Peter Finches upload with regards a hammer putter....

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Rick Shiels waded in....

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Other YouTubers (Alex from Orka included) also joined the mix however it really doesn't show MC in a good light. I do find Finch and Shiels a little 'click baity' but it's obviously working for them, they both have more subs than MC, in Shiels case he's not on 1.24m subscribers. Remember when they were neck and neck?! There is obviously room on YouTube for all sorts of different content but starting posts in a holier than thou type attitude that MC does just makes him look pathetic. Some viewers will like the PF/RS type content whilst others will enjoy watching MC's, space for all IMO. I'm sure there is bitterness from MC that his sub numbers have plateaued even though he was one of the first to use the platform in this way.

Shiels and Finch use that much bait it's like an episode of Fishomania.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

If you got traditional lofts, which most seem to call 1990s lofts, then the 5 iron would have the same loft as your strong 7 iron.

Going back to my favourite date of 1970 the 4 iron would have the same loft as your strong 7 iron, so you'd be able to hit a 4 iron and a 3 iron would be in your grasp, go vintage!

How do shaft lengths compare,...a longer shaft also makes a long iron harder to hit

 

[LincolnShep]

Absolutely right R2R. Crossfield should stick to doing what he does to the best of his ability - it's occasionally brilliant. Knocking other people for doing what they do just looks like jealousy and bitterness.

 

[road2ruin]

Absolutely right R2R. Crossfield should stick to doing what he does to the best of his ability - it's occasionally brilliant. Knocking other people for doing what they do just looks like jealousy and bitterness.

The other problem with Crossfield is the way he interacts with his audience, especially on Twitter. If you don't agree with his point of view there is no discussion, he doesn't try and persuade you round to his viewpoint, he is just patronising and condescending. That alone must put a lot of people off viewing his YouTube content. For me personally U used to like his course Vlogs with Coach, Rory etc, I thought they were entertaining. Now is content is just really dry for me, lots of hitting balls on his sim and the data that goes along with it. That's just not what I find interesting but obviously others do which is fine. Not sure why he has to pick fights with those on YT who have decided to go down the more commercial route.

 

[Orikoru]

Seems like the chip on Crossfield's shoulder continues to grow with his latest spat with other YouTubers....

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This is in response to Peter Finches upload with regards a hammer putter....

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Rick Shiels waded in....

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Other YouTubers (Alex from Orka included) also joined the mix however it really doesn't show MC in a good light. I do find Finch and Shiels a little 'click baity' but it's obviously working for them, they both have more subs than MC, in Shiels case he's not on 1.24m subscribers. Remember when they were neck and neck?! There is obviously room on YouTube for all sorts of different content but starting posts in a holier than thou type attitude that MC does just makes him look pathetic. Some viewers will like the PF/RS type content whilst others will enjoy watching MC's, space for all IMO. I'm sure there is bitterness from MC that his sub numbers have plateaued even though he was one of the first to use the platform in this way.

He's talking rubbish anyway. Surely people like to see reviews of obscure clubs? When I see a brand I've not heard of making outlandish claims to have the longest driver or golf ball in the world, I want to see them put to the sword! But I'm not going to buy it and test it myself am I?

 

[GB72]

Thing is for many YouTube is now their main source of income. To keep up the income, you need views and to keep up the views you need to keep releasing content. As golf manufacturers have a pretty rigid release schedule, you only get a couple of months of content out of reviewing the latest golf gear. Once your channel has been running for a few years, you have an ample back catalogue of tips videos and so how do you fill the rest of the year. Some on course videos that manufacture situations to make it different, some vlogs from other courses and then you have the option of reviewing strange and off the radar gear to get a few views. It is all about releasing content though, irrespective of quality you need something for people to watch every couple of days or they move onto someone else.

They all pretty much follow the same pattern. Crossfield has fallen behind because he does not churn out the endless videos to ensure that people are watching him daily. He started with a good grip on how to make use of social media but has fallen behind on the best methods to increase views and subscriber numbers. Not saying that the way that Shiels, Finch etc are doing it is great in general but they are doing the right thing to keep increasing their youtube income and keep their subscriber numbers and views increasing.

 

[robinthehood]

I quite enjoy reviews of the weird golf stuff that's out there, Massive drivers, Polaris dead straight Balls, The Hammer and all that other stuff. I'm never going to buy it, but its interesting to see how the illegal stuff shapes up. Generally its worse!

 

[Dan2501]

People obviously like to see them, there's a reason Shiels and Finch do them and a reason Shiels now has over 1m subscribers. Thought Rick's response was great too. Crossfield's becoming more and more of a tit as the years go on and his channel continues to die.

 

[GB72]

I quite enjoy reviews of the weird golf stuff that's out there, Massive drivers, Polaris dead straight Balls, The Hammer and all that other stuff. I'm never going to buy it, but its interesting to see how the illegal stuff shapes up. Generally its worse!

Have to agree, thought the club that fired the golf ball using effectively a cut down shotgun cartridge was a fascinating bit of kit even if it is something I would hope to never need. Also interesting that some of the thinking behind these weird clubs does seem to make a strange sort of sense, they just tend not to work any better than standard clubs. That said, they are being tested by a pro. Would be interesting to see how some people use these strange clubs who really cannot hit the shot in question. After all, what is a chipper other than one of these almost single purpose clubs that are being reviewed and they are used plenty.

 

[GB72]

People obviously like to see them, there's a reason Shiels and Finch do them and a reason Shiels now has over 1m subscribers. Thought Rick's response was great too. Crossfield's becoming more and more of a tit as the years go on and his channel continues to die.

This is it though, its another way of gaining subs. It happens all over youtube, creators start a bit of drama with another creator in the hope of gaining subs from people who want to watch the drama pan out.

 

[Orikoru]

Have to agree, thought the club that fired the golf ball using effectively a cut down shotgun cartridge was a fascinating bit of kit even if it is something I would hope to never need. Also interesting that some of the thinking behind these weird clubs does seem to make a strange sort of sense, they just tend not to work any better than standard clubs. That said, they are being tested by a pro. Would be interesting to see how some people use these strange clubs who really cannot hit the shot in question. After all, what is a chipper other than one of these almost single purpose clubs that are being reviewed and they are used plenty.

That's a reason I like James Robinson's channel these days, he doesn't just test things himself, he quite often brings along a high-handicapper mate, if that's who the product is aimed at.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I like Crossfield when he sticks to what he does best. I don't like these weird and whacky product reviews as I have zero interest in trying or buying them. I have gone off Shiels for his click bait and Finch seems to have lost his mojo and doesn't seem to be producing the quality or volume of content he did. I am a big fan of Chris Ryan and Danny Maude for tuition/drills as they do it in a simple to understand method, and no click bait, gimmicks etc. Simply down to business.

I think the likes of Crossfield especially on social media simply go out of their way to be controversial to develop traffic but in my opinion it loses them a lot of respect from the average players especially when his peers argue their corner and he doesn't respond or trys to shout them down

 

[jmf1488]

Crossfield just bitter that the silly videos get more views than him.

There wasn't much content at the start when all these guys first appeared and no doubt Crossfield had a lot more viewers who tolerated his annoying personality back then. Now that there is plenty of content about people aren't stuck watching him. He probably doesn't realise that he is the reason people don't watch his videos. Its not what he is making videos about, its his annoying personality. Even his course vlogs he knocks about bullying the other guys.

 

[timd77]

I went through a stage (lockdown!) of watching most things that were posted by the main youtubers, click bait, instructional the lot. But I’ve massively gone off them and so now only really watch crossfield, Alex Evans and Tubes (mainly for the footballer interviews). I like Peter finch and so I’ll watch his ‘quest for the open’ and on course vlogs.

To me, crossfield has only said what a lot of us are thinking. Some of the vlogs are scraping the barrel, reviewing daft products. That said, I agree that it’s a bit crass to talk about the competition.

 

[Orikoru]

I went through a stage (lockdown!) of watching most things that were posted by the main youtubers, click bait, instructional the lot. But I’ve massively gone off them and so now only really watch crossfield, Alex Evans and Tubes (mainly for the footballer interviews). I like Peter finch and so I’ll watch his ‘quest for the open’ and on course vlogs.

To me, crossfield has only said what a lot of us are thinking. Some of the vlogs are scraping the barrel, reviewing daft products. That said, I agree that it’s a bit crass to talk about the competition.

Ah, I found Tubes' channel a few weeks ago and have already rinsed through all of his 'Fooore Hole Challenge' vids. Some of them are superb, I loved Merson's one, and Marc Bircham who I was not familiar with before, but he was really funny.

 

[GB72]

I went through a stage (lockdown!) of watching most things that were posted by the main youtubers, click bait, instructional the lot. But I’ve massively gone off them and so now only really watch crossfield, Alex Evans and Tubes (mainly for the footballer interviews). I like Peter finch and so I’ll watch his ‘quest for the open’ and on course vlogs.

To me, crossfield has only said what a lot of us are thinking. Some of the vlogs are scraping the barrel, reviewing daft products. That said, I agree that it’s a bit crass to talk about the competition.

It is a fair point, how do you fill a week of reviews when there is nothing new to review. As I mentioned before, once your channel has a library of tips videos then that is pretty much that topic gone unless you find a new teaching method. On course stuff is OK but with Shiels and Finch, when you are out on the course on your own there is very little option in the way of variety. You could do vlogs from other courses but that is not so easy at the moment plus you have the inconvenience of filming on a busy course. Sponsorship has also limited some youtubers. It may be interesting to see fittings etc from various manufacturers but if you are sponsored by one, they are not going to be too happy with a big PR piece for a rival and the rivals are not going to roll out the red carpet if their clubs are never going to be used.

Very difficult producing content in such a limited field and so the odd gimic video seems the only option.