CR-Par

[Backache]

Playing social golf I rarely putt out, hate holding others up.
My wife likes to putt everything out and I feel it is a lot slower.

 

[AussieKB]

I go to Thailand every year for 8 games of golf in an event that a friend and I orgarnise, 24 players this year, and the number one rule, is that there are no gimmes.

I always here people say pick it up, but people chime in NO, putt it out.

We have all seen the unmissable putt miss.

 

[Deleted member 15717]

MLS really .
Imo if you havnt got time to putt out you shouldn’t be playing.
It’s a fundamental of the game 18 holes

Wasn’t MLS supposed to be for match play.
So in areas where match play scores can be used for handicap submissions, if you concede a hole/lose a hole, you will add strokes on depending on where you are laying and the guidance.
It’s not meant for ‘normal’ play.

 

[AussieKB]

What happens if your opponent concedes and you have only hit your drive on a par 5 and still 300 yards away ?

What score ? eagle birdie par or bogey ?

 

[Swango1980]

What happens if your opponent concedes and you have only hit your drive on a par 5 and still 300 yards away ?

What score ? eagle birdie par or bogey ?

If the ball lies more than 20 yards, add 3 or 4 depending on your position, lie, etc. That is the advice in the guidelines.

So, I guess you can give yourself a 4, or maybe a 5 if you hit your drive in a bush

Just imagine playing someone who is having a disaster, and conceding half a dozen holes, or more, before you even hit your second shot. Could be on for a record score

Although, if I was a plus golfer and being advised to add 3 or 4 to my score if I'm 25, 30 yards away, I'd be pretty annoyed. I think I'd just take the time to complete the hole, as I'd be confident of getting up and down. 3 shots would be the absolute worst I'd be thinking could happen

 

[Voyager EMH]

What happens if your opponent concedes and you have only hit your drive on a par 5 and still 300 yards away ?

What score ? eagle birdie par or bogey ?

I think I would go with par.



That stat is for a lot of rounds, though. My last 10 rounds show a similar figure, but I would still go with par.
I've made 17 pars and 2 birdies and only 1 double bogey in my last 30 par 5s.
All is fantasy, however.
I will seek to never use MLS. It is rubbish.

 

[Deleted member 30522]

The calculation for a score differential is exactly the same globally.

(113/Slope Rating) x (Adjusted Gross Score - Course Rating - PCC adjustment)

Indeed, but how you get there isn't, that's the point, if I hole out every shot for a 75, and some Yank doesn't hole out on a single hole, how are my scores comparable to his?

 

[Deleted member 30522]

Playing social golf I rarely putt out, hate holding others up.
My wife likes to putt everything out and I feel it is a lot slower.

Which has sod all to do with WHS and your handicap

 

[D-S]

Wasn’t MLS supposed to be for match play.
So in areas where match play scores can be used for handicap submissions, if you concede a hole/lose a hole, you will add strokes on depending on where you are laying and the guidance.
It’s not meant for ‘normal’ play.

No it is not just for matchplay.
It is used for 4BB strokeplay and team games (2 out of 3 or 4 etc.). In 4BB matchplay and strokeplay and team games the number of non holed putts or incomplete holes is not statistically insignificant. These are very common forms of golf, not rarities. It is not just about the odd gimmee in singles matchplay or even in individual strokeplay.

 

[clubchamp98]

Wasn’t MLS supposed to be for match play.
So in areas where match play scores can be used for handicap submissions, if you concede a hole/lose a hole, you will add strokes on depending on where you are laying and the guidance.
It’s not meant for ‘normal’ play.

Matchplay scores should not be used for handicap purposes that’s half the problem.

Playing the man not the course.

If I get an 6 on a hole it only needs to be less than my OPP to win the hole

 

[sjw]

Matchplay scores should not be used for handicap purposes that’s half the problem.

Playing the man not the course.

If I get an 6 on a hole it only needs to be less than my OPP to win the hole

Exactly. You play the game differently, you might be more aggressive, or be left with the only option being a hero shot.

Agree with the consensus that MLS is a load of tosh.

 

[Deleted member 15717]

Matchplay scores should not be used for handicap purposes that’s half the problem.

Playing the man not the course.

If I get an 6 on a hole it only needs to be less than my OPP to win the hole

Handily they aren’t in the UK then. Maybe they can be used in the US (and other areas it is used) as culturally, they might play match play instead of medal/stableford competitions

 

[Deleted member 30522]

Handily they aren’t in the UK then. Maybe they can be used in the US (and other areas it is used) as culturally, they might play match play instead of medal/stableford competitions

So you agree it's nothing like a world system then because every country is doing it differently?

 

[Swango1980]

So you agree it's nothing like a world system then because every country is doing it differently?

Score Differentials are calculated based on (Adjusted Gross - CR) x 113/Slope. Index average of best 8 of 20. Ratings of each course based on consistent methodology.

Yeah, 100% a World System. Or at least for the countries around the world using it. Maybe not, if basing this on the few countries around the world that don't use it. Not sure if it is used in places like Papua New Guinea, Brunei or Kiribati. But I'm assuming that isn't what your point is based on

 

[Deleted member 15717]

So you agree it's nothing like a world system then because every country is doing it differently?

No, it is a world system as everyone has a handicap index that is worked out the same way; which was the whole reasoning for it to come into play.

Cultural differences in various countries allow for scope, which is perfectly acceptable.

 

[Backache]

Seems a pretty strange system when the calculation is the same but in USA it probably includes a couple of mulligans and five gimmes
Whereas the modern cultural practice in the UK is decide if your score is worthwhile , get your mate to agree to it and enter it.

 

[Deleted member 30522]

No, it is a world system as everyone has a handicap index that is worked out the same way; which was the whole reasoning for it to come into play.

Cultural differences in various countries allow for scope, which is perfectly acceptable.

But they're literally not

 

[rulefan]

WHS has at least reduced the number of significant differences between the original seven previously used around the world. In that context the current variations are trivial

 

[Swango1980]

The World Wildlife Fund care more about the Arctic's polar bears than our pigeons. There are definitely variations in their work across the globe. And they dare call themselves "World"

The fact people can even get so worked up in the "W" in WHS is actually quite comical