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[Backache]

Yes. The calculation of the handicap index is the same globally.
Competition results or handicap to play off in a competition mean nothing, it’s the calculation to create the index which is the same

If you do the same calculation of different inputs you will get different results.

Some countries make up the results with gimmes , it's a meaningless comparison, just like make upee GP 'scores' pick a handicap to suit your purposes whether it is to win competitions or to enter tournaments the WHS will provide.

 

[D-S]

Many clubs don’t allow (rightly or wrongly) iGolfers in their Open competitions despite the fact that their handicaps are directly administered by the Handicap authority (EG) using the local/regional rules, so you could argue that some handicaps aren’t even portable in their own country or jurisdiction.

 

[Swango1980]

Many clubs don’t allow (rightly or wrongly) iGolfers in their Open competitions despite the fact that their handicaps are directly administered by the Handicap authority (EG) using the local/regional rules, so you could argue that some handicaps aren’t even portable in their own country or jurisdiction.

How well are they administered / reviewed? Always been intrigued how EG do that

 

[wjemather]

Some countries make up the results with gimmes...

No they don't.

...just like make upee GP 'scores...

Also not acceptable anywhere.

 

[wjemather]

How well are they administered / reviewed? Always been intrigued how EG do that

EG operates a dedicated handicap committee.

 

[D-S]

EG operates a dedicated handicap committee.

Any idea how many people are on the committee?

I believe there are over 46.000 iGolfers.

 

[wjemather]

Any idea how many people are on the committee?

I believe there are over 46.000 iGolfers.

I seem to remember someone (probably James Luke or Mike Greener) did say, but I don't remember the details.

 

[Backache]

No they don't.

Also not acceptable anywhere.

Well gimmes are culturally taken in many parts of the world even if not part of the WHS formal rules for stroke play.
In match play gimmes are part of the rules of golf and acceptable for handicap purposes in some jurisdictions.

Furthermore in the local system makee upee scores are part of 4ball handicapping
If your partner is on a heater and you have a great round your score may well be invented for handicap purposes.

 

[Deleted member 15717]

But the base data from which the calculation is done is different. Therefore the resultant index is different.

What base data changes?

The slope rating of a course. Nope

Adjusted gross score? That’s just what you shoot, adjusted to net double if needed, factoring in 100% of handicap.

Course rating? Nope.

 

[wjemather]

Well gimmes are culturally taken in many parts of the world even if not part of the WHS formal rules for stroke play.
In match play gimmes are part of the rules of golf and acceptable for handicap purposes in some jurisdictions.

Furthermore in the local system makee upee scores are part of 4ball handicapping
If your partner is on a heater and you have a great round your score may well be invented for handicap purposes.

Again, not even close to how it works; neither here nor elsewhere.

 

[Backache]

Again, not even close to how it works; neither here nor elsewhere.

Ah OKso match play scores are not allowed.
GP scores are always correct and There is no such thing as most likely score anywhere. Furthermore all 4 ball scores are entered as scored into WHS calculations.

OK big brother is good , I get it

 

[wjemather]

Ah OKso match play scores are not allowed.
GP scores are always correct and There is no such thing as most likely score anywhere. Furthermore all 4 ball scores are entered as scored into WHS calculations.

OK big brother is good , I get it

You are willfully misunderstanding and misrepresenting WHS processes.

 

[Griffsters]

A quick reflection on what i've read - there seems to be a debate around Process (the ideal & perfect) vs Real World (very imperfect).

Never (rarely) the twain shall meet, but both need to be acknowledged and understood to gain the full picture and get them closer IMHO. @wjemather - you must be an auditor!

 

[D-S]

What base data changes?

The slope rating of a course. Nope

Adjusted gross score? That’s just what you shoot, adjusted to net double if needed, factoring in 100% of handicap.

Course rating? Nope.

Format - yes.
Most likely score - yes.

 

[IanM]

There's some hilarious transposition here between official process and what sometime happens in reality.

 

[Backache]

You are willfully misunderstanding and misrepresenting WHS processes.

No I am not I an very mildly parodying what I see as genuine problems with the WHS .

You have stated elsewhere that golf is a sport that rejects cheating.
I believe this is probably currently reasonably true, but it's not because golfers are inherently more or less honest than people participating in other sports, this is highly unlikely, it is because of the current culture in golf.

When you introduce a handicapping system that is both more open to abuse and has some aspects that are complex and often opaque, You encourage cynicism and effectively allow cheating . I believe that the implementation of the WHS in this country is quite likely to erode the culture of honesty to the detriment of all of us.

 

[Crow]

I believe that the implementation of the WHS in this country is quite likely to erode the culture of honesty to the detriment of all of us.

Regrettably the culture of honesty, in most areas, has been heading south for many years.

 

[Voyager EMH]

Yes. The calculation of the handicap index is the same globally.
Competition results or handicap to play off in a competition mean nothing, it’s the calculation to create the index which is the same

GB&I use 100% CH to calculate Score Differential from an adjusted gross score using a nett double bogey limit.

Australia use Stableford Points using 93% CH to calculate Score Differential.

These are not the same methods and will create some different resulting score differentials and thus handicap index calculation could have different results.

Ozzie SD

Daily Handicap is 93% CH
"Scratch Rating" = course rating

 

[D-S]

Interesting one today, iGolfer not on start sheet, posted score on MyEg attested by another iGolfer (also not on start sheet) of Gross level par, - 1.4 below CR.
2 other scores on record, one from prestigious Midlands course yesterday gross 72, the other from a local shorter last Saturday course gross 63.
iGolf are being notified and the score is being marked as matchplay pending resolution.
Is someone hacking Dotgolf?

 

[clubchamp98]

Interesting one today, iGolfer not on start sheet, posted score on MyEg attested by another iGolfer (also not on start sheet) of Gross level par, - 1.4 below CR.
2 other scores on record, one from prestigious Midlands course yesterday gross 72, the other from a local shorter last Saturday course gross 63.
iGolf are being notified and the score is being marked as matchplay pending resolution.
Is someone hacking Dotgolf?

Botgolf.
But why would it bother.?