i think we have 3 all are short par 4's, two of them are drivable for big hitters. great holes and shows a 350 yarder can have teeth
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ScienceBoy
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It is if you can’t hit anything over a 5 iron like me
i'd agree our shortest is over 160 off the white, with the new lbit on the back of 14, off the white a few weeka ago it was 234 to the flag, into a 3 club wind
KenL
Tour Rookie
i'd agree our shortest is over 160 off the white, with the new lbit on the back of 14, off the white a few weeka ago it was 234 to the flag, into a 3 club wind
234 is crazy. 16 at Carnoustie is a horror too. Pin at the back and off the white tee it is about 260 yards. That to a narrow greens with sharp roll offs.
Robster59
Tour Rookie
Not so much course design but course re-design. Where houses are built next to courses that have been there for over a hundred of years, people buy them thinking it's a lovely view then complain about golf balls in their garden.
The course then has to be re-designed, or local rules changed, or dirty great nets put up to stop errant shots. All these are usually for the worse of the course.
You knew what you getting into when you bought the house.
There's a couple of courses near me where this has happened and you can see the warning signs all around the course.
The course then has to be re-designed, or local rules changed, or dirty great nets put up to stop errant shots. All these are usually for the worse of the course.
You knew what you getting into when you bought the house.
There's a couple of courses near me where this has happened and you can see the warning signs all around the course.
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Robster59
Tour Rookie
A par 3 first hole. Just grates against me.
last time i played it was driver and wedge... funny enough they didn't use the very back tee for the open234 is crazy. 16 at Carnoustie is a horror too. Pin at the back and off the white tee it is about 260 yards. That to a narrow greens with sharp roll offs.
backwoodsman
Tour Winner
Try our 1st then. 232yds off the whites, downhill all the way, green slopes down from front to back, and boundary fence is just about 5 yards off the back of the green.
(In our "social comps" we run a book on who can hold the green. Out of a field of 72 or more, the "bookmaker" never has to pay out to more than 2 or 3 people)
GB72
Money List Winner
A par 3 to start with gaps between group bookings that would not allow the enough time for the group ahead to finish the hole. Thorpe Wood in Peterborough starts on a Par 3 and had gaps that would never allow a 3 ball to finish the hole before the next group got on the tee. Pretty much guaranteed queues and delays every weekend. May have changed now as not been there in a while.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
Personally I think when you're hitting driver on the majority of par 4s, then I like the par 3s to be a respite from that and a chance to hit something shorter off the tee, and try to hit the green. Having to hit driver again just takes away from that variety. I don't mind the odd long-ish one where I need to hit hybrid or 5 wood, but once it gets past 210 say, it doesn't really feel like a par 3 should feel, for me anyway.
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KenL
Tour Rookie
That sounds pretty rubbish!
Orikoru
Tour Winner
The line isn't always right on these anyway. Sometimes you aim for the pole, get it there or thereabouts then when you get there you realise it rolls off the right hand side and you should have aimed 10 yards left of the pole. So annoying.
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Courses with a single line of equally spaced trees between two adjoining fairways........double that if they are Leylandii.
PS ..Do the golfers on here who complain that when visiting another course they must play off yellow tees allow visitors to their own course to play off the white tees.
PS ..Do the golfers on here who complain that when visiting another course they must play off yellow tees allow visitors to their own course to play off the white tees.
sunshine
Well-known member
I agree, but that's part of the challenge. You have to factor in the roll, this might mean bouncing the ball short of the green and running it in. But the green contours have to work with the rest of the hole and the hazards in front of the green.
Old Fold Manor in Barnet has some of the most interesting greens of any course I've played. Harry Colt knew what he was doing. The course has 6 greens that predominantly slope front to back, 6 that slope back to front, and 6 with no discernable change in elevation from front to back. Keeps you on your toes.
sunshine
Well-known member
Blind tee shots and marker poles...
The 5th hole at Brancaster has a blind tee shot over a dune. There are 2 marker poles which act like a goal to fire between. My mate nailed his drive straight down the middle between the poles, I pushed mine right of the poles. We walk down the fairway and find my ball sitting in the middle of the fairway and my mate's was lost in the left rough.
Maybe the members deliberately set the poles to wind up visitors and ensure a continuous supply of golf balls
The 5th hole at Brancaster has a blind tee shot over a dune. There are 2 marker poles which act like a goal to fire between. My mate nailed his drive straight down the middle between the poles, I pushed mine right of the poles. We walk down the fairway and find my ball sitting in the middle of the fairway and my mate's was lost in the left rough.
Maybe the members deliberately set the poles to wind up visitors and ensure a continuous supply of golf balls
Ethan
Money List Winner
I think one of the common themes is that good holes offer playing options. A par-3 of over 200 yards which needs a precise long iron/wood or you are dead is a bad hole anyway you look at it. A 245 yard par-3 which has an apron for a lay up and chip on is a better hole, and the player who can pull off that length of tee shot gets their advantage over the lay up player. For most players, that sort of hole is a par3.5.
Likewise, the par 4 of 280 yards which is drivable or an easy chip on in the right conditions is another form of par 3.5.
Likewise, the par 4 of 280 yards which is drivable or an easy chip on in the right conditions is another form of par 3.5.
backwoodsman
Tour Winner
I wouldnt quite say rubbish - but not good.
A year or two back we were having "issues" with the neighbour behind the fence (balls going over etc). We had the opportunity to change the hole - could have had a complete redesign to make what would have been a stunning opening hole. The membership completely rejected the idea and wanted to keep the hole as is. We now have a safety net behind the green - which of course doesnt improve it any...
sunshine
Well-known member
Exactly.
ScienceBoy
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I would love to! 5 sounds like a good score!
Beedee
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Drive-able Par 4's.
Actually it's a love/hate thing. When the course is empty I love them. Lots of risk/reward and it feels so good if you can pull it off.
However, when the course is busy I hate them. Every group has someone who has to have a go, so now it has to be treated as a par 3. Big wait on the tee for him to fluff the drive (and lets be honest, far more are fluffed than hit green). So a short par 4 that should be a quick hole takes as long to play as a decent par 5.
Actually it's a love/hate thing. When the course is empty I love them. Lots of risk/reward and it feels so good if you can pull it off.
However, when the course is busy I hate them. Every group has someone who has to have a go, so now it has to be treated as a par 3. Big wait on the tee for him to fluff the drive (and lets be honest, far more are fluffed than hit green). So a short par 4 that should be a quick hole takes as long to play as a decent par 5.
