Busted. A Cheat Caught

[HomerJSimpson]

Losing 13&12 has nothing to do with this fellas handicap increase. Maybe the OPs mate shouldn’t have come out after lunch?

Maybe but he was level par through 7 and 6 up!

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Well perhaps it was bigger than you all thought!!!

Ascot golf club seized after being bought by 'criminal activity'

Reading Chronicle
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Aug 10, 2024 — The club, along with a £14 million Knightsbridge house, has been relinquished by the wife of jailed banker Jahangir Hajiyev. This development

Sorry to disappoint but that relates to Mill Ride Golf Club not us

 

[Morfeen75]

Why? Are you a member of the club. What does it matter to you?

I'm not a million miles away from Royal Ascot and i wouldnt like this person to apply to become a member at my club. As the guy has admitted he's cheated, its only fair that other clubs are made aware of this guy. I'm sure you wouldnt want a known cheat to apply for Royal Ascot would you?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Losing 13&12 has nothing to do with this fellas handicap increase. Maybe the OPs mate shouldn’t have come out after lunch?

I played in a 36 hole matchplay once was 7 down and lost 12&11 I think - it happens especially in matchplay

A 3 shot HC increase shouldn’t be having that much of a dramatic effect. I was expecting it to be something like 8 shot increase over 2 years

 

[Leftitshort]

I played in a 36 hole matchplay once was 7 down and lost 12&11 I think - it happens especially in matchplay

A 3 shot HC increase shouldn’t be having that much of a dramatic effect. I was expecting it to be something like 8 shot increase over 2 years

Did you come in and forensically check the other fellas handicap record? You could have got the result overturned.

 

[D-S]

Seems like he was a pretty poor cheat.
Firstly he was caught, secondly he was too blatant/elaborate, thirdly he just increased his handicap by 3 shots or so.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Did you come in and forensically check the other fellas handicap record? You could have got the result overturned.

Nah - I was just rubbish

Same when I won the scratch 36 hole KO 13&12 I think it was

Last week someone else won it after being 10 up on the first 18

 

[Backache]

WHS may make it easier for people to cheat but these people must have been inclined to cheat previously. The new system does not change people’s behaviour but will allow them to act on their notions. Were these people whiter than white under the old system, only putting in the minimum cards and not really trying in those rounds? Leather wedge, improved lie, miscounted shots?

Allowing someone to act on their notions is exactly changing behaviour.

Furthermore people whether we like it or not are highly imitative and a lot of people's ideas of ethics, cheating, societal duties etc revolve around reciprocity. People will generally behave well when they believe this behaviour will be returned when people see or believe they see others manipulating their handicap they are likely to be less diligent than they should be about their own.

Mm I'm playing Joe Bloggs in the semifinal in a couple of weeks everyone says he's a bandit. I've a couple of low scores at the end of my 20 better get a couple of GP cards in. It's not cheating but it is manipulation.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I'm not a million miles away from Royal Ascot and i wouldnt like this person to apply to become a member at my club. As the guy has admitted he's cheated, its only fair that other clubs are made aware of this guy. I'm sure you wouldnt want a known cheat to apply for Royal Ascot would you?

The club as far as I understand from the conversation with the GM last night has informed other local clubs. Am I right in thinking it will be flagged somewhere on his WHS/EGU record?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I'm not a million miles away from Royal Ascot and i wouldnt like this person to apply to become a member at my club. As the guy has admitted he's cheated, its only fair that other clubs are made aware of this guy. I'm sure you wouldnt want a known cheat to apply for Royal Ascot would you?

There will be no naming on this forum. It brings a world of problems that GM would not want to be associated with. I'm sure his name will soon be known locally anyway by simple word of mouth.

 

[D-S]

The club as far as I understand from the conversation with the GM last night has informed other local clubs. Am I right in thinking it will be flagged somewhere on his WHS/EGU record?

You can put notes on his handicap record but I believe it is recommended that these are not permanent and should be removed after an agreed time. You can set it to alert anyone who looks at the record that there are notes to view.

 

[Morfeen75]

The club as far as I understand from the conversation with the GM last night has informed other local clubs. Am I right in thinking it will be flagged somewhere on his WHS/EGU record?

Oh great, i will speak to our GM this afternoon before my tee.

 

[Neilds]

Allowing someone to act on their notions is exactly changing behaviour.

Furthermore people whether we like it or not are highly imitative and a lot of people's ideas of ethics, cheating, societal duties etc revolve around reciprocity. People will generally behave well when they believe this behaviour will be returned when people see or believe they see others manipulating their handicap they are likely to be less diligent than they should be about their own.

Mm I'm playing Joe Bloggs in the semifinal in a couple of weeks everyone says he's a bandit. I've a couple of low scores at the end of my 20 better get a couple of GP cards in. It's not cheating but it is manipulation.

You actually prove my point - you won't put in those cards (if this is a real example) because you are not dishonest. You would only do it if you were that way inclined and this would have manifested itself before WHS. WHS allows you to act on any dishonest tendencies, it hasn't created them

 

[Backache]

You actually prove my point - you won't put in those cards (if this is a real example) because you are not dishonest. You would only do it if you were that way inclined and this would have manifested itself before WHS. WHS allows you to act on any dishonest tendencies, it hasn't created them

My point is that over time more people will behave this way because they will see others doing likewise.
Few people have a belief system/ ethical framework that is constant and unchanging. It changes according to what people see around them.
Personally I have altered when I put in cards based on likelihood of my handicap altering with matches coming up.

 

[Pathetic Shark]

We had a guy at my old club who is now very highly ranked in the county. Played a round on his own which would have tied the course record, asked one of our members to sign his card which he of course refused. The guy then scribbled a signature in the marker's box and then claimed it was someone he met on the 1st tee called Dave but didn't get his surname. We nailed him for it but the GM of the club let it go. The word got round the county though and he has been a marked man ever since.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

You actually prove my point - you won't put in those cards (if this is a real example) because you are not dishonest. You would only do it if you were that way inclined and this would have manifested itself before WHS. WHS allows you to act on any dishonest tendencies, it hasn't created them

The EG app has allowed situations to occur where people can manipulate their handicap but it needs more than one person

 

[Neilds]

The EG app has allowed situations to occur where people can manipulate their handicap but it needs more than one person

But only if they have dishonest tendencies - the app has not created cheats, it may have facilitated them but they must have been dishonest before the system changed.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Oh great, i will speak to our GM this afternoon before my tee.

May not have happened yet but I know the GM has it in hand

 

[Morfeen75]

May not have happened yet but I know the GM has it in hand

No problem, I'll bring it to his attention.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

But only if they have dishonest tendencies - the app has not created cheats, it may have facilitated them but they must have been dishonest before the system changed.

Before the App it wasn’t easy to manipulate your handicap away from your home course - and it wasn’t easy putting in supplementary cards for many

The APP has made it very easy and that’s exactly what’s happened