Neilds
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There is an awful lot of guesswork in this thread 
Busted. A Cheat Caught
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HampshireHog
Assistant Pro
The key word was trend once you build a profile of scores it’s quite easy to determine whether GP rounds follow the same trends and patterns as competition scores, and flag up anomalies.
Equally, it is straight forward to identify any patterns around when when GP rounds are entered.
In my opinion outlier scores are not really the issue.
Thats a valid point however, for someone to attest your score that person must have a valid account with EG. You dont need to be a member of a club to set up an Iplay account.
nickjdavis
Head Pro
Indeed you don't. Took me about 45 seconds to create an iPlay account using a false ID.. Now I can self attest all those evening rounds that I play on my own and the authorities have given me the tools to do so.
I support a lot about the WHS but do agree there are things that can be tweaked...but this sort of "enablement opportunity" is just staggering.
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
If you can make an iplay account for free what's the point of the paid membership? Is it to have a handicap and you can just sign rounds in the free one?
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
That’s where an observant HC committee comes in
When running reports on ISV for HC changes it will stick out any who is having any sort of dramatic change and then the scores on EG checked
It would be very much a long game to have any meaningful changes
Yes, it is wrong and open to abuse. EG need to go back to the old way of only being able to obtain a handicap is via a full club membership.
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
Why take the improved inclusiveness that it's given golf away?
It enables people who can't afford membership to go to certain courses than require handicap certs
nickjdavis
Head Pro
Haven't investigated too much (hell I only found out about iPlay 2 or 3 hours ago) but on first glance it looks more of a function by which you can register your rounds and track your scoring...its very basic and if you want a bit more functionality and a valid handicap, then you need to pay for the iGolf functionality.....but I've already got a round registered in the iPlay system that I actually played last Sunday.
nickjdavis
Head Pro
The iPlay service doesn't give you a handicap...its just a score tracking service a far as I can tell that gives you an "average score".
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
Igolf (which a few of my mates have) is £40 a year and you get an official handicap.
nickjdavis
Head Pro
Irrespective of whether you can manipulate your handicap quickly, or in such a fashion that the handicap committee might spot with a modicum of diligence, the fact is that EG have provided a tool by which anyone can circumvent a fundamental rule of handicapping....that your score needs to be attested....you don't even need collusion from a third party - you can do it all by yourself.
Improved inclusiveness? Dont be so dramatic. I've never heard of anyone being asked for a handicap cert or being refused a round of golf because they havent got one. Clubs are charging £500+ for a days golf, shall we stop that because some cant afford it?
nickjdavis
Head Pro
I know...but we were discussing the iPlay app and what you can do with it and what auditable functionality might it provide....which is effectively zero. I could set my self up with half a dozen "mates" on iPlay and "play with a different person" each week...and administer the whole debacle from one mobile phone.
Golfloveruk
Member
Are scratch (or close) players really that interested in winning a monthly stableford??
Not one genuine low single figure player I know gives two hoots about the weekend club comps.
It’s the choppers who seem to measure their worth on how far up division 2 or 3 they place!!
The most disgruntled seem to be the 7s 8s and 9s who thought getting to single figures would make them feel special!! but have realised in really no one cares and they are shooting in the mid 80s every week with the odd 77 to make themselves feel better
sunshine
Well-known member
What’s WHS got to do with it?
Leftitshort
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Sounds like a great plan. Dumb down the whole sport, undermine the whole ethos of club membership, create a cheating template, just to make the sport more inclusive
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WHS: Golf made more accessible or a cheat's charter? - GCMA
It’s a pivotal but controversial part of the World Handicap System. But has the ability to submit a general play score made the game better?
www.gcma.org.uk
IanM
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I can't remember one of "these" courses asked for my CDH or similar. So I wonder how much of an issue this really is.
It's certainly makes cheating easier, so is it worth it?
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sunshine
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It was possible to enter a general play score under the old system. In fact, you could choose after you played whether you wanted to submit a card. Equally possible to cheat.
What has changed is the app has made it much easier to submit fabricated scores. The app is not WHS.
What has changed is the app has made it much easier to submit fabricated scores. The app is not WHS.
