Busted. A Cheat Caught

[IanMcC]

Only members of a bonafide club with an active handicap should be allowed to attest any score. Unfortunately EG have tried to appease the nomad golfer and give them some benefits that only golf club members should have.

The definition of Marker in the rules precludes hardly anyone, though. You dont need to know any rules to be a marker. Just count to 10.

 

[woofers]

How would that work tho? I've been sent scores but not attested them until much later that day when I'm not longer at the course

I suppose you would need to name the attester at the beginning when you create the card - and they confirm they are there. Rather than just naming them at the end when you submit it.

Yes.
In much the same way that you attest a competition card, which I suspect you usually do immediately on completion of the round. The Rules of Handicapping require scores to be submitted promptly after play, so there really shouldn’t be a problem with this.
Unfortunately England Golf also allow GP scores to remain unsubmitted and awaiting attestation for days!

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Unless the blaggard is very patient, the Soft and Hard caps would prevent this happening.

certainly can take time to have significant increase of HC - the ones that have won everything this spring took 4 years

The person is the OP would surely have only gone up a couple

 

[woofers]

Fair play to the club for looking into it. Could easily have just Ignored

Only once the complaint came in, EG should be flagging suspicious trends in GP submissions and scores as matter of course and informing the individual and club.

To a point.
If I were the Handicap Secretary or a Committee member I’d be asking why we didn’t pick this up? Why did it take a complaint from a player? Are our procedures adequate? Interesting discussion at the next committee meeting.

 

[Springveldt]

certainly can take time to have significant increase of HC - the ones that have won everything this spring took 4 years

The person is the OP would surely have only gone up a couple

4 years to win some Opens, that's dedication for you. If you have people that determined to cheat there isn't much you can do about it.

 

[Rlburnside]

Dunno, reckon my wife could. She can fake other things pretty well.

 

[D-S]

It’s feasible but would stick out like a sore thumb

It would only stick out if someone is checking. Clubs with knowledgeable, diligent Committees might well spot it, many, many other committees wouldn't spot it because they are not looking.

 

[nickjdavis]

You don't even need an official handicap to attest a round in myEG - free iPlay users also can attest a score for handicap. So it could be done for free, as long as you have access to another phone to sign for the score.

I dont think you even need another phone...just log out of the MyEG account and log in to your IPlay account on the same phone to attest the score.

 

[Griffsters]

You can’t start a round until you are on site. He must have played, or at least been on site at the ‘other’ club. You also can’t submit a round for at least a couple of hours, so unless he a- sat in the car park, b- started it then came back. He must have played. If he played then how does the OP know it was deliberate?

The geo location gives so much slack approx 50 of my club can do it from their back garden easy peasy

 

[Arthur Wedge]

It would only stick out if someone is checking. Clubs with knowledgeable, diligent Committees might well spot it, many, many other committees wouldn't spot it because they are not looking.

It depends on the circumstances

Is it a new member ?

If it’s someone known and you play with them regularly then anyone would notice their handicap changing that dramatically

 

[Whereditgo]

certainly can take time to have significant increase of HC - the ones that have won everything this spring took 4 years

The person is the OP would surely have only gone up a couple

And yet he allegedly won by a massive score? How come the regular roll up members didn't query how he was winning cash regularly and his handicap was going up all the while?

 

[D-S]

It depends on the circumstances

Is it a new member ?

If it’s someone known and you play with them regularly then anyone would notice their handicap changing that dramatically

Again, depends entirely on the club, the amount of members, the type of membership and the level of engagement of players and officials.

These are all extremely variable - some places would be all over this like a rash, others would have absolutely no clue whatsoever and players can do what they like.

 

[D-S]

And yet he allegedly won by a massive score? How come the regular roll up members didn't query how he was winning cash regularly and his handicap was going up all the while?

No doubt this was probably part of the building evidence that led to him being caught. Royal Ascot deserve a lot of Kudos for this - it probably would never been spotted elsewhere.

As with most who get caught, they weren't very clever about it. Others, in all likelihood are.

 

[PJ87]

You can’t start a round until you are on site. He must have played, or at least been on site at the ‘other’ club. You also can’t submit a round for at least a couple of hours, so unless he a- sat in the car park, b- started it then came back. He must have played. If he played then how does the OP know it was deliberate?

You can start a round anytime your at a club, you don't need to be at the club to submit the scores

Can be sent off hours later when your long gone

 

[RichA]

Surely there are about a hundred easier ways to cheat at golf that don't require months of planning and an accomplice and don't leave a data trail that an idiot could track.
Maybe this dude actually wanted to get caught. Maybe one of the antagonists from the WHS thread trying to make a point.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Again, depends entirely on the club, the amount of members, the type of membership and the level of engagement of players and officials.

These are all extremely variable - some places would be all over this like a rash, others would have absolutely no clue whatsoever and players can do what they like.

But even members of a swindle should be able to see when someone’s HC is increasing rapidly

 

[3 jabber]

I have heard rumours of quite a few people in my county manipulating their handicaps. This is not a new phenomenon.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

And yet he allegedly won by a massive score? How come the regular roll up members didn't query how he was winning cash regularly and his handicap was going up all the while?

Exactly this - it sticks out very easily if someone’s handicap increases that quickly

 

[Arthur Wedge]

No doubt this was probably part of the building evidence that led to him being caught. Royal Ascot deserve a lot of Kudos for this - it probably would never been spotted elsewhere.

As with most who get caught, they weren't very clever about it. Others, in all likelihood are.

I actually think the club have massively dropped the ball here to not spot this

 

[woofers]

I actually think the club have massively dropped the ball here to not spot this

Agree, my comments in #124 refer.
Royal Ascot did not pick this up, they referred it onwards to BB&O only after a member had queried it with them.
Maybe not the deserved Kudos D-S was referring to.