HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
Of course it is. Forget the club golfer having 3 practice swings and topping it 50 yards
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Backache
Assistant Pro
In that case I'm all for it we need something to be the scourge of slow play.
SteveW86
Head Pro
do people really commit to lessons and the expenditure that comes with it and then not listen to what the coach is telling them?
Leftitshort
Well-known member
Invariably they do both!
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
I would say so. Certainly I know plenty that turn up for the lesson, go away and when they have the next one and the pro asks how they found the drills, chances are they won't have done them and come up with a host of excuses why
3 jabber
Active member
You....me....we all do it.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
When out for a few holes yesterday I decided to give it a go, no not Aimpoint, but using the alignment line on my ball to point down my line of putt. Two things. It made me appreciate how strong my right eye dominance is, plus what a faff. Pointing the line, checking, tweaking, checking, tweaking…and…just check again.…and hit the putt. Might try using it again…however Aimpoint surely can’t take longer.
Backache
Assistant Pro
Surely the only way of using Aimpoint correctly is to point the line on your ball to that point? ;-)
Dunesman
Active member
I still dont think you can standover it being a proven system. Virdict still open I would say. Being used on tours isnt of itself proof that it is proven. That only a small minority of the world best of the best use it, is surely more likely to indicate it is not proven. They deficate their lives to finding any edge, work at it all hours, and money for the top few hundred is not an issue for any proposition and the reward they can reap. But the overwhelming majority still choose no to use it.
It isnt a proving of it either - but glad you are happily using it though !
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
Sometimes a typo/auto correct just works
Backache
Assistant Pro
I think it depends on what you mean by proven.
At the highest level golf coaches are pretty keen on their data and data analysis. They all have a very accurate idea of how they are doing with their strokes gained putting, which at tour level as opposed to recreational level is probably very accurate data indeed as everything is laser measured and compared against the field.
If there was evidence that the method was inferior to conventional reading for the players using it they would stop.
Conversely if there was evidence that it made those using it superior putters to those not using it it would be adopted more widely.
I suspect there is a subset of golfers who read the greens better using Aimpoint than with their eyes but you can't generalise to say it works for everyone.
When I've heard the chap who invented it on podcasts speak he made some claims which I thought pretty questionable.
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BTatHome
Tour Winner
I don't think the system is the issue here, probably more specific to just you!
Dunesman
Active member
I guess, it comes down to 4 key factors :
- can we feel slope through our sense of balance, and can we estimate its magnitude ? This does seem to be the case, and is an aimpoint innovation. Whether we can estimate that to an accuracy that is sufficient or better than a visual assessment, for putting is unclear.
- can the correlation of that slope estimate to a break distance be made to a useful accuracy to determine a putting line ? That is less clear I think, i.e. are arm length, discrimination of single digit resolution, sufficiently accurate to determine the line better than simple sight.
- pace. There are many, not just a single line on a breaking putt. Less break for faster, more for a die into the hole. So pace must be taken into account when determining a line. Can aimpoint correlate the two ? Not at all clear I think.
- are aimpointers exclusively using aimpoint, even if they think they are ? Or are they influenced by their traditional sighting of the putt, which is clearly in the same range of accuracy as aimpoint, if not better. Difficult to test, but an open question at the moment.
On the checking, checking, checking, some of this is maybe a bad rap coming from TV pro golf. They are very slow in everything they do.Most, if not all, of the aimpoint most if us see is on TV. So we are going to see it done slowly, as they are slow to choose a club, slow in their preshot routine, etc. Its certainly a very bad look when you see a player do the standing pose in several places along a putt, then repeat that turned 180deg. And then his caddy do the same! And then he misses the putt! Its easy to attract criticism in that contaxt.
- can we feel slope through our sense of balance, and can we estimate its magnitude ? This does seem to be the case, and is an aimpoint innovation. Whether we can estimate that to an accuracy that is sufficient or better than a visual assessment, for putting is unclear.
- can the correlation of that slope estimate to a break distance be made to a useful accuracy to determine a putting line ? That is less clear I think, i.e. are arm length, discrimination of single digit resolution, sufficiently accurate to determine the line better than simple sight.
- pace. There are many, not just a single line on a breaking putt. Less break for faster, more for a die into the hole. So pace must be taken into account when determining a line. Can aimpoint correlate the two ? Not at all clear I think.
- are aimpointers exclusively using aimpoint, even if they think they are ? Or are they influenced by their traditional sighting of the putt, which is clearly in the same range of accuracy as aimpoint, if not better. Difficult to test, but an open question at the moment.
On the checking, checking, checking, some of this is maybe a bad rap coming from TV pro golf. They are very slow in everything they do.Most, if not all, of the aimpoint most if us see is on TV. So we are going to see it done slowly, as they are slow to choose a club, slow in their preshot routine, etc. Its certainly a very bad look when you see a player do the standing pose in several places along a putt, then repeat that turned 180deg. And then his caddy do the same! And then he misses the putt! Its easy to attract criticism in that contaxt.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Except I have seen some who use the alignment line do just as I did…I found it quite hard to get satisfied that I’d got it ‘right’.
The great value of it for me though was that it confirmed my right eye dominance, as even when I got the line pointing exactly to where I wanted it, when I stood over the ball my head and vision was telling me the line was pointing quite a bit left of where I knew it was actually pointing.
Yorkhacker
Well-known member
I've done the Aimpoint course and used it regularly, but have drifted away from it through laziness.
Whether or not it works, depends on the golfer, but it needs no longer than any other putting method once on the green, if you're doing it correctly.
Whether you believe in it or not, this is a really interesting podcast with the guy who invented it:
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-golfers-journal-podcast/id1325753838?i=1000589388421
Whether or not it works, depends on the golfer, but it needs no longer than any other putting method once on the green, if you're doing it correctly.
Whether you believe in it or not, this is a really interesting podcast with the guy who invented it:
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-golfers-journal-podcast/id1325753838?i=1000589388421
Neilds
Assistant Pro
Got a question for those who use it.
When you go and stand either side of your line, do you just use the straight line from the start or do you anticipate a slope and stand on the intended line. The reason I ask is because if you stand on a straight line, are you in danger of standing on the line of the putt if there is a slope?
Hope this makes sense
When you go and stand either side of your line, do you just use the straight line from the start or do you anticipate a slope and stand on the intended line. The reason I ask is because if you stand on a straight line, are you in danger of standing on the line of the putt if there is a slope?
Hope this makes sense
Yorkhacker
Well-known member
You straddle the straight line between the ball and the hole, so yes you could stand on the line of the putt
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Interesting watching the Genesis this morning..
Tom Kim is doing the footwork but not the fingerwork.....
Tom Kim is doing the footwork but not the fingerwork.....
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
But he did on the 18th.....
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