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Is it just me, or are some of the Irish players getting a bit too much like Morgan Parra. Bitching and moaning a lot and quite a bit of play acting.
I did get the feeling they thought it would be a normal win for them, and they weren't expecting the whirlwind of intensity and force the England players brought to the game.
 

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I just enjoyed watching last years Calcutta Cup match.
It makes you realise what a brilliant referee Nigel Owens is.

England lost that game by giving away far too many silly fouls and penalties.
 

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Slade try - clear forward pass before the kick...

Phil,

This video helps explain the logic for why the pass is not deemed ‘forwards’...

IRB video on why a pass that doesn’t go backwards isn’t always determined to be a ‘forward pass’

I personally don’t agree with this mandate, as, for me, a big part of the skill of passing should be to ensure the ball actually travels backwards not just relative to yourself... it should not be beyond players to do that, and would make it MUCH clearer whenever there was an
infringement.
 

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Phil,

This video helps explain the logic for why the pass is not deemed ‘forwards’...

IRB video on why a pass that doesn’t go backwards isn’t always determined to be a ‘forward pass’

I personally don’t agree with this mandate, as, for me, a big part of the skill of passing should be to ensure the ball actually travels backwards not just relative to yourself... it should not be beyond players to do that, and would make it MUCH clearer whenever there was an
infringement.
You don’t agree with physics ???? 🤣
 

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You don’t agree with physics ???? 🤣

Nah - I completely get the argument being made in the video, I just believe that the players should be good enough to make sure they pass the ball backwards relative to the position on the pitch not themselves.

Any set of players should be able to deliver on that - all it takes is for the receiver to be deep enough that they haven’t run past the point level with the which the pass was given when they receive the ball

It is not that I’m suggesting the laws of physics don’t apply, more that the point of reference should set as the point on the pitch where the ball was released (ie a fixed point)... I know that may not sit well with the current philosophy of ‘flat’ passes, but in my opinion they are not flat at all if they are received in front of the position they were released from.
 

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I was being a little flippant 👍 I reckon this is the only measurable way you can judge a forward pass eg the direction of the hands. It becomes a bit messy after that
 

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It was the best pass of the weekend and in fact for a long time before that. Absolute bullet of a pass, made when running full whack and May did not have to do much to catch it at full pace. Slade oozes class, one of those rare players who seems to be playing in cruise control.
 
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Farrell’s pass to Daly for the first try was beauty.
Flat, fast and accurate.
Close enough to attract the interception, but too good, & took the defender out of position.
 
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Phil,

This video helps explain the logic for why the pass is not deemed ‘forwards’...

IRB video on why a pass that doesn’t go backwards isn’t always determined to be a ‘forward pass’

I personally don’t agree with this mandate, as, for me, a big part of the skill of passing should be to ensure the ball actually travels backwards not just relative to yourself... it should not be beyond players to do that, and would make it MUCH clearer whenever there was an
infringement.
The thing that annoys me more is the offloads which are blatantly forward, but deemed fine!
 

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So what results do we reckon for this weekend. Wales will comfortably beat Italy, think that is a given. I think England will struggle a little against France before winning and my shock of the week is that I just have this feeling that Scotland may beat Ireland. No real logic to that, just a bit of a gut feeling.
 
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So what results do we reckon for this weekend. Wales will comfortably beat Italy, think that is a given. I think England will struggle a little against France before winning and my shock of the week is that I just have this feeling that Scotland may beat Ireland. No real logic to that, just a bit of a gut feeling.

Yes agree that Wales will beat Italy - quite comprehensively too I would think. I think England will be too strong for France, especially at Twickenham, especially if there's no further injuries in the squad. And despite the result on Saturday, still think Ireland will be too good for Scotland - they'll be desperate to put the England result behind them.
 
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So what results do we reckon for this weekend. Wales will comfortably beat Italy, think that is a given. I think England will struggle a little against France before winning and my shock of the week is that I just have this feeling that Scotland may beat Ireland. No real logic to that, just a bit of a gut feeling.

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Wales will stuff Italy - they will put 40 points on the board

Scotland vs Ireland will be a close affair but think Ireland will win by a score

England and France - I see it being a tight first 30 mins but England will just pull away and win by maybe two scores ?
 

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So what results do we reckon for this weekend. Wales will comfortably beat Italy, think that is a given. I think England will struggle a little against France before winning and my shock of the week is that I just have this feeling that Scotland may beat Ireland. No real logic to that, just a bit of a gut feeling.
Agree with the first two but can't see Ireland wanting to lose again and play below par as they did on Saturday. I think of the three matches it's got the potential to be the most entertaining but I see Ireland coming out on top by 6-10 points
 
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Does the confusing points system make a positive difference?

Teams were always going to try and maximise their for and against tally in case of finishing tied on points after 5 games weren't they so why is this bonus 'incentive' even needed?
See France have a bonus point despite losing cos of the <7 point difference, Wales don't get a bonus point despite winning.

Am I right in thinking a team could win 5 matches without gaining any bonus points (eg 3 tries and loads of penalty points v opponents 4 tries only) yet not win the overall title if another team won 4 games scoring 4+ tries per game) so both end up on 20 points but the team that have lost a game still win title on points difference overall?

If so that wouldn't seem right. Would it?
 

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Does the confusing points system make a positive difference?

Teams were always going to try and maximise their for and against tally in case of finishing tied on points after 5 games weren't they so why is this bonus 'incentive' even needed?
See France have a bonus point despite losing cos of the <7 point difference, Wales don't get a bonus point despite winning.

Am I right in thinking a team could win 5 matches without gaining any bonus points (eg 3 tries and loads of penalty points v opponents 4 tries only) yet not win the overall title if another team won 4 games scoring 4+ tries per game) so both end up on 20 points but the team that have lost a game still win title on points difference overall?

If so that wouldn't seem right. Would it?
No there are rules in place to prevent that. Think you get a number of points for winning a grand slam. As for the points system, everyone plays it at club level so not unusual
 
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No there are rules in place to prevent that. Think you get a number of points for winning a grand slam. As for the points system, everyone plays it at club level so not unusual

Thanks.
Looks like you could win 4 and draw 1 but be pipped by another team winning 4 and losing 1.
Dems de rules I suppose.
 

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Agree with the first two but can't see Ireland wanting to lose again and play below par as they did on Saturday. I think of the three matches it's got the potential to be the most entertaining but I see Ireland coming out on top by 6-10 points
I wouldnt have said Ireland were below par, more that England were so much better.
 
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Apparently Tuilagi’s clear out is being looked into.
I was concerned about a penalty at the time, but didn’t see it as a citing type incident.
 
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I wouldnt have said Ireland were below par, more that England were so much better.

Agree with you - you can only play as well as the opposition allow you to play. England were fantastic on Saturday and the defence just outstanding. Ireland on the day didn't have any answers.
 

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England were simply superb against the Irish. Best performance I've seen from a Northern Hemisphere team in a long time. And they kept it going for the whole game. It's not that Ireland played badly, they weren't allowed to play by the speed of England's defence. Murray and Sexton were made to look very ordinary. I doubt England can play that well every game but they should still have enough to beat the French.
 
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