GreiginFife
Money List Winner
As long as they put the number plate in the middle!!
Absolutely not. Alfas play by different rules.
The all things EV chat thread
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Absolutely not. Alfas play by different rules.
Blue in Munich
Crocked Professional Yeti Impersonator
There are car users and there are drivers; a driver would never make the comparison, a car user might.
rosecott
Money List Winner
If BMW don't get their fingers out with my 8er then I am of a mind to cancel and I have been drawn to the new Lotus Emira as my last hurrah to the ICE world. Similar pricing as the 8er but at least 150% less practical
Shouldn't this be in the midlife crisis thread?
GreiginFife
Money List Winner
I can assure you, whilst I may be mid life, there is no crisis!
cliveb
Head Pro
I've been vaguely interested in electric cars for a while. Back in 2018 I nearly bought a Renault Zoe, until I discovered that the lease cost of the battery was more than I spend on petrol(!)
Of course things have changed since then, so I've recently revisited the costs. (While it's great that we all want to do our bit to help climate change, the simple fact remains that economic factors are a major part of most people's choice of car).
Let's say petrol is £1.50 a litre. Modern family petrol cars typically do about 45mpg, so we're talking a fuel cost of about 15p a mile.
Electricity costs vary, depending on whether you charge at home or on the road, and if you have a cheap overnight tariff at home.
But let's say that averaged out, electricity is going to cost around 20p per kWh. Electric cars tend to get about 4 miles per kWh, so that's 5p per mile.
In other words, the fuel cost saving of an electric car is about 10p a mile.
Now, given that the electric version of a car tends to be about £10,000 more than its petrol equivalent, you won't break even on the up-front purchase premium for the electric car until you've travelled 100,000 miles.
Of course things have changed since then, so I've recently revisited the costs. (While it's great that we all want to do our bit to help climate change, the simple fact remains that economic factors are a major part of most people's choice of car).
Let's say petrol is £1.50 a litre. Modern family petrol cars typically do about 45mpg, so we're talking a fuel cost of about 15p a mile.
Electricity costs vary, depending on whether you charge at home or on the road, and if you have a cheap overnight tariff at home.
But let's say that averaged out, electricity is going to cost around 20p per kWh. Electric cars tend to get about 4 miles per kWh, so that's 5p per mile.
In other words, the fuel cost saving of an electric car is about 10p a mile.
Now, given that the electric version of a car tends to be about £10,000 more than its petrol equivalent, you won't break even on the up-front purchase premium for the electric car until you've travelled 100,000 miles.
bobmac
Major Champion
That may have been the case a few years ago, but things have changed.
I think if you ask some EV owners on here how much they pay for charging it would be a lot less than 20p per kWh and are EVs really still £10,000 more than ICE cars. Not to mention maintenance, road tax etc.
But if you don't want to buy one, dont.
I think if you ask some EV owners on here how much they pay for charging it would be a lot less than 20p per kWh and are EVs really still £10,000 more than ICE cars. Not to mention maintenance, road tax etc.
But if you don't want to buy one, dont.
cliveb
Head Pro
Perhaps some EV owners here will let us know.
AFAICT, there are no public chargers that are less than 20p/kWh, and the current (soon to be increased) cap for domestic is 21p/kWh.
Only those with Economy 7 or that special Octopus tariff are going to get it for less.
I tried to compare like-for-like, and the three that I found were Peugeot 2008, VW Up and Mini. All were at least 10 grand more for the electric version.
I accept that maintenance might be a bit less for electric - far fewer moving parts.
Again, perhaps some EV owners here will tell us how much a service costs (and what the service interval is).
I would like to buy one.
Every time I make the 1.5 mile journey to the golf club, or 2 miles to Tesco, or even 55 miles to the mother-in-law, I think how much better it would be to have an electric car.
But I can't justify it from an economic aspect.
Presumably that charging rate is going to jump as electricity prices are increasing so sharply. It will be interesting to see the charging rates by the middle of the year.
Clearly, petrol and diesel prices are currently very high so that isn't an 'ice is better' comment.
bobmac
Major Champion
I don't know where you live but our local Tesco has 7kwh and 22kwh chargers which are free to use.
cliveb
Head Pro
Ah right. Sorry, I was forgetting about the supermarket free chargers. How long are you allowed to use them for?
And I suppose some businesses might have free daytime charging for their employees. I wonder how long before HMRC regards that as a BIK?
BTW, which EV do you drive, and how much would you say you pay per kWh on average?
bobmac
Major Champion
I haven't got an EV, yet, have you seen the price of them? but I am saving for one.
but I am saving for one.
PhilTheFragger
Provider of Entertainment for the Golfing Gods 🙄
The free ones at supermarkets aren’t rapid chargers
They are fine if you are going to be there for an hour and want to boost your range by 50 miles or so, but in the real world the only public chargers worth using are Rapid or ultra rapid.
Non rapid chargers are only of real use if you can use for several hours or overnight, same goes for lamp post chargers which are a great idea, just not rapid
bobmac
Major Champion
How many free gallons of petrol/diesel can you get in an hour?
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
The point is that it's not feasible to rely on the supermarket chargers in the real world.
You have to charge at home or at the pay to charge units.
And that cost per Kw/h is going up.
Slime
Tour Winner
No.
Bunkermagnet
Journeyman Pro
Nothing is free, so why should everyone else subsidise EV charging?
No one else pays for the leccy to power my washing machine so my clothes are clean and hygenic for when I go into customers houses.
bobmac
Major Champion
I totally agree for some, but for many, it's ideal.
The infrastructure isn't there yet, the range isn't there yet for some and they are still expensive, we all know that but things are changing
I've said all along, if you don't want an EV, don't buy one.
bobmac
Major Champion
Cliveb wrote
''AFAICT, there are no public chargers that are less than 20p/kWh''
I was updating him with the news that many supermarkets are free.
Bunkermagnet
Journeyman Pro
And I was saying nothing is ever free, someone is paying for it somewhere....usually everyone else.
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
Sorry Bob the free supermarket ones are ok but aren't long term solution. They won't be free forever, instavolt moved from 30p to 50p a kw due to the price increases (fine so long as it returns back when it drops which it won't)
You also forget one major bit
People are selfish .. they park normal cars there because it's a space and "ice" it
Easily solved, build them at the BACK of car park not the front..... People are also lazy
You also forget one major bit
People are selfish .. they park normal cars there because it's a space and "ice" it
Easily solved, build them at the BACK of car park not the front..... People are also lazy
