IanM
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My head hurts.... I wonder if the folk implementing this need a good Change and Comms Manager? Where do I send the CV? 
Working out my rough h'cap off the WHS...
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USER1999
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Where does bogey index fit in the scheme of things?
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My head hurts.... I wonder if the folk implementing this need a good Change and Comms Manager? Where do I send the CV?
“The World Handicap System is the latest example of our work to make the game more welcoming,†said Mike Davis, CEO of the USGA. “
That tells us all we need to know. The man who buggers up the US Open has his fingerprints all over this
rksquire
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I think I might actually drop a shot under the new system.... or go up a shot. Either way, it's pretty close, and I'm pretty confused!
However, I've had an ESR within the last 20 rounds, would this now be redundant under the system?
However, I've had an ESR within the last 20 rounds, would this now be redundant under the system?
Orikoru
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I wanted to know that as well and no one answered actually. Will ESRs still exist? I've also had one lately which is exacerbating the difference between my current handicap and my estimated one within the new system.
USER1999
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I don't see how ESRs can exist.
rulefan
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Significant difference in practice. It will alter the player's differential rather than the course rating (SSS). And is likely to have a much reduced effect.
rulefan
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There will be a process that recognises an exceptional score. Depending on how many strokes played under their Index, their Index will be reduced by one or two strokes. It may be overridden by the committee.
duncan mackie
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A good example.
Taking the black tees your CR is 74 but the bogey rating is 100.9. It's this latter figure which results in your slope rating being this high.
What it's saying is that a bogey golfer will seriously struggle with this layout relative to a scr golfer (carry/nature of hazards/etc).
Generally this trend seems to apply from all but the blue tees on the course.
From what people have said about the course this seems to make sense?
rulefan
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The CRs are not unusual but the Black is at the high end. However, IMO the Black & White SRs are highish.
When the slope rating system was first put into effect, the USGA set the slope for an "average" golf course at 113; however, not many 18-hole golf courses have slope ratings that low. Some do, but the real-world average is higher than 113. I would guess at 125ish
IanM
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Funny, no mention of this via my Club yet......
rulefan
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Are you not under the auspices of Golf Cymru ?Funny, no mention of this via my Club yet......
sunshine
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I think my courses is generally slightly tougher than several of the away courses we've played on friendly rounds. I normally score well on them on points - so that's that out the window.
I expect Haste Hill will be at the easy end of the scale. As an 18 handicapper at HH you would be playing off 23 at Carnoustie (off the yellows) for example.
sunshine
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This can't be right. He said the scores equate to an average of 20 over course rating. The course is tougher than a standard course so you need to adjust the scores down to get to the handicap index?
Aussie Swinger
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Lots of people getting unduly worried that their handicaps are going to be blown out the water. The WHS is going to run very similar to the Way the handicap system currently works here in Aus. I will be amazed if anyone is a shot higher or lower than they currently play off when the move across. What it will do far more quickly and accurately is adjust for your playing ability at that time. That is, if your playing well, CONSISTENTLY, then you handicap will come down slightly quicker than in the current UK system. Conversely if you are playing poorly, CONSISTENTLY, then your handicap will increase slightly quicker than under the current UK system.
Also, and this may have been mentioned earlier, but can’t be arsed to plough through the 6 page thread, it will be the best 8 from 20 scores MULTIPLIED BY A FACTOR by something around 0.93 to get your handicap. You generally will get an additional on handicap if you play on a course harder than your own, conversely you lose around a shot for any course rated easier than your home track. Simples really. The system is far better at tracking your current ABILITY rather than the potential that seems to be the current UK Congo way of doing things.
Also, and this may have been mentioned earlier, but can’t be arsed to plough through the 6 page thread, it will be the best 8 from 20 scores MULTIPLIED BY A FACTOR by something around 0.93 to get your handicap. You generally will get an additional on handicap if you play on a course harder than your own, conversely you lose around a shot for any course rated easier than your home track. Simples really. The system is far better at tracking your current ABILITY rather than the potential that seems to be the current UK Congo way of doing things.
rulefan
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I don't think the 0.93 or 0.96 (bonus for excellence) will included in the WHS.
rulefan
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Taking break for a few days in Majorca
rulefan
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Simply used to derive the Slope
duncan mackie
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Whilst Rulefans description has validity, it's probably the logic behind this that may help some understand so e parts better!
The bogey index is effectively the CR for a 20 handicap golfer for that course, from those tees.
It's the used, in conjunction with the CR to establish a graphical slope from which intermediate, and higher, handicap can calculate their handicaps for that course and tees based on their handicap index. A matrix is established based on the slope of the graph - the steeper the slope the larger the adjustments will be.
If the CR is 74 and the BI is 100 you can clearly see that for a 20 handicap golfer he will get an increase of 6 strokes on his playing handicap (ignoring the 113s, 0.93/0.96 or whatever factors!)
the more i look at this it appears we are exchanging a very simple system where you have one number to score against for one thats rather complicated and you need pages of tables and calculations to work out you handicap
