Winter Golf and Handicap

[clubchamp98]

Seems obvious, but better precision is one pretty good reason. Standardisation and portability is another.

Looks good on paper but in the real world it’s a cheats charter!

Most golfers are honest , but why help the ones who are not?

Standardisation is a moot point as we’re now finding out with the revisions . cR par etc.
Were not using parts of the system that others are!

 

[wjemather]

Standardisation is a moot point as we’re now finding out with the revisions . cR par etc.
Were not using parts of the system that others are!

You seem to be saying standardisation is moot because it's happening gradually instead of in one giant step for everyone? Surely that highlights it's relevance.

 

[clubchamp98]

You seem to be saying standardisation is moot because it's happening gradually instead of in one giant step for everyone? Surely that highlights it's relevance.

If your going to implement a new WORLD SYSTEM just do it, instead we have parts of it.

So after initial confusion they are changing it .

It’s different in other parts of the world , So World System is a stretch!

 

[Deleted member 29109]

If your going to implement a new WORLD SYSTEM just do it, instead we have parts of it.

So after initial confusion they are changing it .

It’s different in other parts of the world , So World System is a stretch!

What confusion was there? It’s really not that difficult to understand, and it’s been in place more than long enough for even the most hard of thinking to get their heads round it

 

[clubchamp98]

What confusion was there? It’s really not that difficult to understand, and it’s been in place more than long enough for even the most hard of thinking to get their heads round it

Parts of it are still a secret.

most golfers still can’t understand how a 12 handicapper last year can now be off 17 handicap.

 

[wjemather]

If your going to implement a new WORLD SYSTEM just do it, instead we have parts of it.

So after initial confusion they are changing it .

It’s different in other parts of the world , So World System is a stretch!

So you agree that standardisation is relevant? And your complaint is that it isn't happening/hasn't happened quickly enough?

 

[Backsticks]

Parts of it are still a secret.

People dont even want to know the workings of what is public. The average golfer has zero interest in knowing the inner workings of PCC. 99.9% of them wouldnt even know it isnt published, and barely know it exits.
Not being public affect not a single golfer in the world.

 

[Backsticks]

most golfers still can’t understand how a 12 handicapper last year can now be off 17 handicap.

I think they do - the 12 handicapper's game has deteriorated and is no longer a 12. But a 17. The system is reflecting their decreased standard of golf. Not marooning them on 13 as UHS would have done.

 

[clubchamp98]

People dont even want to know the workings of what is public. The average golfer has zero interest in knowing the inner workings of PCC. 99.9% of them wouldnt even know it isnt published, and barely know it exits.
Not being public affect not a single golfer in the world.

Totally agree.
But the ones who do manipulate it know how it works inside out.

Your last sentence is wrong!
there are some on here that would like to know how PCC is calculated.

 

[clubchamp98]

So you agree that standardisation is relevant? And your complaint is that it isn't happening/hasn't happened quickly enough?

Yes of course.
but how can you call it a World System if it’s quite clearly not the same everywhere.?

If your going to do it just do it.

 

[rulefan]

People dont even want to know the workings of what is public. The average golfer has zero interest in knowing the inner workings of PCC. 99.9% of them wouldnt even know it isnt published, and barely know it exits.
Not being public affect not a single golfer in the world.

How many really understood how CSS worked? Was anyone really interested?

Totally agree.
But the ones who do manipulate it know how it works inside out.

Your last sentence is wrong!
there are some on here that would like to know how PCC is calculated.

How many in your club have taken any interest in understanding the algorithm and how many of them could make a useful contribution in agreeing with it or making constructive adjustments?
The USGA had team of highly qualified professional statisticians to work on it.

 

[clubchamp98]

How many really understood how CSS worked? Was anyone really interested?

How many in your club have taken any interest in understanding the algorithm and how many of them could make a useful contribution in agreeing with it or making constructive adjustments?
The USGA had team of highly qualified professional statisticians to work on it.

We don’t know that!
Carol Vorderman could have done it for all we know

But why won’t they even tell the Handicap secs.?

99% of golfers don’t know and don’t care.
My point is , the ones that do why is it a secret?

 

[wjemather]

Yes of course.
but how can you call it a World System if it’s quite clearly not the same everywhere.?

If your going to do it just do it.

The only thing that is essential to be functional as a world system is a standard portable Handicap Index. WHS provided that from day one, regardless of any options chosen.

 

[Backsticks]

We don’t know that!
Carol Vorderman could have done it for all we know

But why won’t they even tell the Handicap secs.?

99% of golfers don’t know and don’t care.
My point is , the ones that do why is it a secret?

So that they can control the software system licencing. Its a good method. The average golfer doesnt need to know. There is no need to publish it. There is a benefit in not publishing it. So not making it public is a correct and rational decision.

 

[Backsticks]

How many really understood how CSS worked? Was anyone really interested?

Nobody, and, no.
It was there in the Congu pdf, but of all the people saying they want to study the PCC algorithm, how many actual ever studied the CSS calculation ? Nobody. Ever. In the whole 14 billion years of the universe.

 

[rulefan]

If your going to implement a new WORLD SYSTEM just do it, instead we have parts of it.

So after initial confusion they are changing it .

It’s different in other parts of the world , So World System is a stretch!

To date there have been different ethea around the world as to what golf handicapping is and how it should be managed. What outstanding differences are there now?

 

[rulefan]

We don’t know that!
Carol Vorderman could have done it for all we know

But why won’t they even tell the Handicap secs.?

99% of golfers don’t know and don’t care.
My point is , the ones that do why is it a secret?

We do. I contacted the software coding compay.

What would handicap secs do with this information?

The algorithm is copyrighted

 

[Deleted member 30522]

How many really understood how CSS worked? Was anyone really interested?

How many in your club have taken any interest in understanding the algorithm and how many of them could make a useful contribution in agreeing with it or making constructive adjustments?
The USGA had team of highly qualified professional statisticians to work on it.

And got it badly wrong, to such an extent that despite getting emporers-new-clothes responses from SG when questioned on it, within 18 months the algorithym was changed because it wasn't up to the task, and IMO still isn't

 

[Deleted member 30522]

Nobody, and, no.
It was there in the Congu pdf, but of all the people saying they want to study the PCC algorithm, how many actual ever studied the CSS calculation ? Nobody. Ever. In the whole 14 billion years of the universe.

Plenty understood how it worked, we had to work it out manually after all, so there was a lot of experience and history behind it. You're just talking more nonsense than usual here

 

[IanM]

Not many regular golfers really understood how CSS was calculated.

BUT, it was amazing how often you had a feeling it would change, and how often you were right.

That's the difference.