WHS Survey in 2024 - Have Any Results Been Published?

[mikejohnchapman]

Having asked lots of people to respond to the request for opinions have the governing bodies produced a summary of the findings?

If so where is it posted and if not - why not?

 

[D-S]

They were referred to in the recent workshops but only in terms of key topics and takeaways not any stats. They were mainly brushed aside saying that committees need to do better and that they should be more diligent with the available (no new) resources. Also that players needed to understand the system more and make better use of the available educational tools. A bit patronising really.

 

[Backache]

They were referred to in the recent workshops but only in terms of key topics and takeaways not any stats. They were mainly brushed aside saying that committees need to do better and that they should be more diligent with the available (no new) resources. Also that players needed to understand the system more and make better use of the available educational tools. A bit patronising really.

Sounds like classical group think.
Ignore what people think if it doesn't suit the preconceived ideas.

 

[mikejohnchapman]

I did notice some comments on asking the ISVs to change their software around the GP entry to ensure the attesters are physically near the course in question and ensuring it was attested to that day - but it wasn't directly linked to the survey.

 

[IanM]

If you send out a survey, you set an expectation of issuing feedback, and (holy moley) some activity arising from it!

 

[AussieKB]

It's a bit like a lawyer......who only asks a question if they know the answer.

Don't start a survey if you don't know the result....

 

[wjemather]

Published today in NCG:

How English golfers have described the World Handicap System in the new global R&A and USGA survey

Flexible or foul? Carefree or complicated? We've got a new inkling of what golfers in England think about about the World Handicap System

www.nationalclubgolfer.com

What they know seems to be nothing more than what has filtered down through the advisors network.

 

[Backache]

Well according to that article.
'The overall results have not yet been published'.
Though they have learned a couple of 'key takeaways'

 

[mikejohnchapman]

I suspect there are some benefits to EG if they make changes and link it to the survey findings. I appreciate the USGA / R&A own the system so local changes are limited, but why ask the question if you aren't going to do anything with the answers?

At least if EG said "these are our findings and we will be approaching the owners with a view to the following changes" they would have credibility with their members.

 

[D-S]

Published today in NCG:

How English golfers have described the World Handicap System in the new global R&A and USGA survey

Flexible or foul? Carefree or complicated? We've got a new inkling of what golfers in England think about about the World Handicap System

www.nationalclubgolfer.com

What they know seems to be nothing more than what has filtered down through the advisors network.

It reads as if they have just attended the same workshop as others here.

 

[Dunesman]

I think golfers gave the wrong answers, saying they didnt like WHS, and that it was a cheats charter. So a fail by the golfing grass roots there. So survey probably shelved, and a new one will opened in a few years time when the R&A judges that we might be able to give the answers they want to receive. No public acclaim, ringing endorsement of WHS survey results will be published until the correct results are received. At the moment its a case of 'must try harder'.

 

[RichA]

Still waiting to hear the survey or any complaints about WHS mentioned anywhere other than the forum.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

They aren’t going to announce the results

They have drip fed through various articles some outliners

And not sure what your is like but plenty of complaints within our club about WhS

 

[rulefan]

They aren’t going to announce the results

They have drip fed through various articles some outliners

And not sure what your is like but plenty of complaints within our club about WhS

I've heard none at ours

 

[Dunesman]

I've heard none at ours

More than enough clubs raising it through the official channels for them be be taking significant action on the competitions. I think the wording in the release was that it was specifically due to feedback from clubs, and not from any initiative or analysis from the regional associations. So sufficient discontent to prompt a very short notice change, under pressure from real clubs, not the ivory towers. That is not just a few facebook keyboard warriors or grumblers at a clubhouse bar.

 

[Dunesman]

Today is D day in Ireland I think for the new rule. I see mention also of a survey from Golf Ireland. Is that the R&A one referred to, or did Ireland Golf do their own as well ? Maybe that is where they felt the unhappiness as well as club submissions directly. Was that survey published ? Not that I can find. Maybe the feedback was too critical there too.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I've heard none at ours

So you haven’t heard one single person have a single complaint about WHS ?

Not one

 

[AussieKB]

Get with program WHS is the greatest thing since sliced bread......

 

[rulefan]

So you haven’t heard one single person have a single complaint about WHS ?

Not one

Not since the early days when the criticism was "that it was different" and having to check their CH with the tee chart.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Not since the early days when the criticism was "that it was different" and having to check their CH with the tee chart.

So you have heard people being critical of WhS then