Where Playing Partners Stand when I tee off

[Twire]

I've got a mate who will step back from a shot if he hears a car in the distance heading along a road skirting the course - or if he hears cyclists on the road chatting as they go past - or even just going past he stops in case they start talking

Aye, we have a fella like that at our place........... he struggles to find anyone who will play with him.

 

[North Mimms]

Can this be correct?

I've just clicked to show all threads since "beginning" sorted by replies and this fairly innocuous looking thread has had the most replies ever in "The Lounge"

Over 1110 replies...Mostly along the lines of

Yes, you should...
No, you shouldn't ..
and
He's behind you!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Not every shot obviously - but it can be a bit painful...true

I'm going to guess he also holds people up and doesn't let people through and will most certainly tut and blame others for him being unable to focus and concentrate

I'm also going to guess that his handicap is around 10-15

 

[Doon frae Troon]

he's behind you.......

Oh no he isn't.

 

[NuShooz]

After reading this thread can someone kill me please? but please executioner - can you stand to the side and not within my peripheral vision as it puts me off my thoughts of impending doom...

 

[hovis]

113 pages on where to stand! Get a life guy's.

Have any of you even kissed a girl

 

[Deleted member 1147]

113 pages on where to stand! Get a life guy's.

Have any of you even kissed a girl

Yes, & I liked it!








Not so sure about her though

 

[CMAC]

Post #1110 makes this whole thread entirely worthwhile:whoo:

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I'm going to guess he also holds people up and doesn't let people through and will most certainly tut and blame others for him being unable to focus and concentrate

I'm also going to guess that his handicap is around 10-15

Actually he is one of the most liked, respectful and courteous members of the golf club - and he is ALWAYS suggesting that we let players through - even when we don't really need to to. He's off 20. And when putting he fiddles about making sure his alignment mark on his ball is 'just so'. But for all that we all really like him. And he is VERY particular about etiquette - he's pulled me up on quite a few occasions for such as talking a little loudly when someone on an adjoining fairway is playing - and that is fine

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

For me the thread developed:

- from me believing and stating strongly that there is etiquette associated with where you stand at the tee;
- to me realising with much surprise that most do not follow the etiquette;
- to me realising with even greater surprise that most had not heard of the etiquette never mind adhere to it;
- to debating with most others whether it was etiquette at all;
- to whether etiquette can become obsolete due to changes in the game and/or equipment and courses;
- to whether etiquette can be determined to be irrelevant by players and hence ignored;
- to me continuing to believe what I was taught - regardless of what the rest of you think;
- to me determining to continue to teach that as the appropriate etiquette - but to not argue with non-believers;
- and to me appreciating the delights of post 1110;
- and wondering whether or not this specific subject has EVER been discussed at this length ANYWHERE else before - EVER.

 

[stevie_r]

For me the thread developed:

- from me believing and stating strongly that there is etiquette associated with where you stand at the tee;
- to me realising with much surprise that most do not follow the etiquette;
- to me realising with even greater surprise that most had not heard of the etiquette never mind adhere to it;
- to debating with most others whether it was etiquette at all;
- to whether etiquette can become obsolete due to changes in the game and/or equipment and courses;
- to whether etiquette can be determined to be irrelevant by players and hence ignored;
- to me continuing to believe what I was taught - regardless of what the rest of you think;
- to me determining to continue to teach that as the appropriate etiquette - but to not argue with non-believers;
- and to me appreciating the delights of post 1110;
- and wondering whether or not this specific subject has EVER been discussed at this length ANYWHERE else before - EVER.

Probably not, but you are still failing to grasp this simple concept, that etiquette is determined by what the majority wish to do and what the majority find to be acceptable practise. The fact that something was believed to be an important point of etiquette years ago doesn't mean it will remain so forever.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Probably not, but you are still failing to grasp this simple concept, that etiquette is determined by what the majority wish to do and what the majority find to be acceptable practise. The fact that something was believed to be an important point of etiquette years ago doesn't mean it will remain so forever.

...and were I to ask about how this could ever be determined for any rule of etiquette - when continuing to observe the rule causes nobody any problems, then the debate continues. But I am not going to. For therein lies the desolation of Smaug and a black hole from which there is no escape (if there ever could be escape)

 

[stevie_r]

...and were I to ask about how this could ever be determined for any rule of etiquette - when continuing to observe the rule causes nobody any problems, then the debate continues. But I am not going to. For therein lies the desolation of Smaug and a black hole from which there is no escape (if there ever could be escape)

Very, very simple,

For example, Safety - Players should not play until the players in front are out of range. A point that the vast majority of golfers ensure each and every time they play. It's what we do therefore it is a point of current etiquette.

See? It's not really difficult when you remove personal feeling from it and actually think about it.

 

[TheJezster]

Well, I was away snowboarding last week and following this thread loosely whilst over there. I've quite enjoyed it, missed large parts out but generally kept up with it..

From my point of view, i think the question is whether this was ever actually etiquette in the true sense of the word. What I mean by that is that it's obvious SILH and a few others were taught this years ago, but I'm not sure whether this was borne of true etiquette or a misunderstanding of CADDIE protocol and simply developed from there. Either way, a small minority were taught this when learning so this cant be disputed. As far as THEY are concerned it IS correct etiquette. No point in arguing about this, it's what they were taught so they believe it to be correct.

What we dont know for sure is whether it actually was etiquette for golfers once upon a time, rather than just caddies. It MAY have been, but I guess we wont ever know.

I think what everyone does agree on though is that you should generally keep still and quiet when your partner(s) tee off. This is just common sense. Everything else is just nonsense (well apart from post 1110 of course) ;-)

 

[North Mimms]

For me the thread developed:

- from me believing and stating strongly that there is etiquette associated with where you stand at the tee;
- to me realising with much surprise that most do not follow the etiquette;
- to me realising with even greater surprise that most had not heard of the etiquette never mind adhere to it;
- to debating with most others whether it was etiquette at all;
- to whether etiquette can become obsolete due to changes in the game and/or equipment and courses;
- to whether etiquette can be determined to be irrelevant by players and hence ignored;
- to me continuing to believe what I was taught - regardless of what the rest of you think;
- to me determining to continue to teach that as the appropriate etiquette - but to not argue with non-believers;
- and to me appreciating the delights of post 1110;
- and wondering whether or not this specific subject has EVER been discussed at this length ANYWHERE else before - EVER.

Carry on practising and teaching what you wish, but I think you may have to revise your assertion that you should stand facing the player's front - as that is where everyone would want you to stand, as the poll has made clear.

And you know how I feel about describing non-believers as inconsiderate, so of course you won't be doing that in the future...:thup:

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Carry on practising and teaching what you wish, but I think you may have to revise your assertion that you should stand facing the player's front - as that is where everyone would want you to stand, as the poll has made clear.

And you know how I feel about describing non-believers as inconsiderate, so of course you won't be doing that in the future...:thup:

Other than when I thought it was commonly held etiquette I have not said that you must stand facing your FC and I do not consider non-believers as being inconsiderate. I might ask that non-believers respect that some folks they play with might believe.

And in general @TheJezster's post above encapsulates where I stand on the matter - at least he seems to understand (though not all posts have been nonsense )

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Very, very simple,

For example, Safety - Players should not play until the players in front are out of range. A point that the vast majority of golfers ensure each and every time they play. It's what we do therefore it is a point of current etiquette.

See? It's not really difficult when you remove personal feeling from it and actually think about it.

What I meant was - how can anyone determine if the majority are happy for a point of etiquette to lapse? Who are you asking - and what about the constituency that you don't ask?

And as etiquette is largely a matter of manners and respect for your FC, is it not just easier to continue to follow established rules of etiquette until the likes of the R&A tell us that a rule is obsolete and no longer applies - especially if following the rule is easy and not disruptive. That is surely the most considerate default position for any player in respect of his FC.

 

[North Mimms]

]Other than when I thought it was commonly held etiquette I have not said that you must stand facing your FC and I do not consider non-believers as being inconsiderate[/B]. I might ask that non-believers respect that some folks they play with might believe.

And in general @TheJezster's post above encapsulates where I stand on the matter - at least he seems to understand (though not all posts have been nonsense )

You have softened your view since you started this thread.

As have I...
I have always done my best to be considerate about where and how I stand, and because those I play with have not objected, have considered that always standing on the cart path side is fine (that's where pretty much where everyone I play with stands)

However in the future, knowing how much it matters to some people, I shall proactively enquire as to the preference of others at the start of the round. And if they want me in Hogan's Spot, that is where i shall be.

So maybe we are not too far apart after all SLIH.
Maybe we'll always be on the same side (of the tee)...:thup:

 

[Slime]

Surely, if over 85% of golfers do something in a particular manner without causing upset to fellow players, and against the accepted ettiquette of the time, they have created a newer, more modern ettiquette ................. as in this instance.


Slime.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

You have softened your view since you started this thread.

As have I...
I have always done my best to be considerate about where and how I stand, and because those I play with have not objected, have considered that always standing on the cart path side is fine (that's where pretty much where everyone I play with stands)

However in the future, knowing how much it matters to some people, I shall proactively enquire as to the preference of others at the start of the round. And if they want me in Hogan's Spot, that is where i shall be.

So maybe we are not too far apart after all SLIH.
Maybe we'll always be on the same side (of the tee)...:thup:

Thankyou @NorthMs. Yes I absolutely have softened my position - I took a strong position as I thought it was a 'universally accepted' point of etiquette. I now know differently as it's not even considered etiquette by most...however I will continue to believe what I believed back then despite what is said - I do no harm

And to be honest - you really don't need to ask folks before you play - believe me. No-body has EVER asked me to move from DfT's HNSP. You'll be OK.