john0
Journeyman Pro
A very good post
Where Playing Partners Stand when I tee off
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A very good post
stevie_r
Tour Winner
Pretty much mirrors part of the etiquette section from the R&A Rules of Golf does it not?
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
1} Probably, depending on the size of the tee, pathway to the tee, where my other playing partners are standing, the line of the hole, where the sun/wind/rain/hail/ sleet or snow are coming from and other obvious factors.
2} Are you being serious?
3} I invented HNSP as a joke and have a little smile to myself each time someone types it seriously.
[Some of those replies may not be serious]
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ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
2) It was a serious question.
3) I'm only using HSNP as it seems to have become accepted on this thread as the area we are talking about. Personally I preferred the KNOBS zone (
) suggested by someone on about page 6 or wherever it was
Exactly what the R&A rule book says in the etiquette section. If you are a playing partner in a team or a caddie, you shouldn't stand directly behind your partner's or player's line of swing, as this is a breach of Rule 14-2b (which is why caddies on the LPGA Tour move away after lining up their player before she starts her swing). This does not apply to fellow competitors in stroke play, or opponents in match play.
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It doesn't say that at all!
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Oh dear.
OK I shall be patient and polite and try to give you an honest answer.
In 57 years of playing golf I cannot recall one occasion when I was aware of the smoke from a FC's cigarette bothering me.
I have also noticed that very few golfer smoke nowadays.
...another wee smile.
Rule 14-2 Assistance
b. Positioning of Caddie or Partner Behind Ball
A player must not make a stroke with his caddie, his partner or his partner's caddie positioned on or close to an extension of the line of play or line of putt behind the ball.
Exception: There is no penalty if the player’s caddie, his partner or his partner's caddie is inadvertently located on or close to an extension of the line of play or line of putt behind the ball.
PENALTY FOR BREACH OF RULE 14-1 or 14-2:
Match play – Loss of hole; Stroke play – Two strokes.
See also decision 14-2/1. Assistance does not apply prior to making a stroke.
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Re cigarettes.
I recall a right rules stushey once when a player had a habit of laying his cigarette down at the far side of his ball and in line with the hole.
His opponent claimed it was an aid and that the smoke from the cigarette was also a wind indicator.
It became very messy but I can't remember how it was resolved.
I recall a right rules stushey once when a player had a habit of laying his cigarette down at the far side of his ball and in line with the hole.
His opponent claimed it was an aid and that the smoke from the cigarette was also a wind indicator.
It became very messy but I can't remember how it was resolved.
You can quote as many things as you like, it does not say you cannot stand behind the player, I.E his back!
North Mimms
Tour Winner
Ha ha ha! Excellent!
Unless you want to risk being hit by a ball, you wouldn't want to stand in front of the tee. That leaves three basic positions. Facing the player, standing behind the tee, i.e. on his line of play, or behind his back. Personally I don't care which unless it would infringe rule 14-2b and fellow competitors don't distract me by moving or making noise as I play my shot.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
This is where half the confusion/arguement has come from on this thread.
Defining the word "behind" either in English of Golfish......
I don't think there is, or shouldn't be any confusion, some people have simply interpreted that to suit their argument, the word behind when seen quoted in the rules has always been associated to the line of play, behind the tee or behind the ball, so, that means at 3pm of the right handed player teeing off looking down the line/fairway which can be adopted if playing into the sun for spotting. Otherwise you can stand wherever you like, as most if not all of us do!
North Mimms
Tour Winner
Or gibberish...
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
At our course we have several tees where it is only practical to stand facing the player. This has never caused a problem that I am aware of. Also we have several holes that face directly into sun early in the morning or late in the evening. In these cases we often get fellow competitors to stand behind the line to help see where the ball as gone.
HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
As I have said before on this thread, the rules of golf are very careful to use the term "behind the ball" or "on an extension of the line of play", they don't simply say "behind", presumably as that would cause confusion. SilH is also careful to distinguish this in his OP.
I think the confusion comes with people only reading what they want to see. On several posts I've seen "half quotes" which then takes the original quote out of context, or even gives it a different meaning.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
...and I actually have absolutely no issue with a FC standing behind my back as I prepare to tee-off - as long as they are a good distance back from me and stay there as I prepare.
That is not perhaps where I would prefer them to stand (assuming they could) and you know where that is - because some players do fiddle about - with stuff in their pockets, marking cards, their clubs etc whilst waiting - thinking that as they can't be seen by the player they are OK to do this as long as they are quiet - as they try to be and usually are. But we are all guilty of having had made a noise (accidentally or due uncontrollable natural causes) at an inappropriate moment in a FC prep or swing. Standing facing the player whenever you can removes the desire to fiddle.
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