The SNIP

[Doon frae Troon]

There's a list of 17 broken promises being touted by Indy supporting press, some I'd say are stretching it but some I'd say are genuine broken promises. The obvious one being the only way for Scotland to guarantee continued membership of the EU is to vote "no" for independence. It could be argued the Scotland retained membership of the EU, post-Indy vote.... but only for 4 years. Its semantics but it depends on your own interpretation. Was the promise broken? No more so than the SNP's, "its a once in a generation vote."... open to interpretation and spin.

A more obvious broken promise was the only way to guarantee funding for the renewable energies, and the funding for the carbon capture plant at Peterhead. Funding for both was either drastically reduced or, as for Peterhead, cut completely which led to the shelving of the project.

A stupid promise, and it seems hard to believe that some people were/are gullible enough to believe it, was the only way to protect steel jobs was to vote "no." Within months 250 steel jobs were lost. The reality for anyone with intelligence was that Westminster didn't have the power to stop a private company from making people redundant. But its fodder for the Indy propaganda mill.

From what I can remember, there was also promises of new devolved powers. Vaguely... I think the Bill in Westminster was watered down before the vote on it. You'd have to research it but if my memory isn't too fuddled I'd say there's a broken promise in there somewhere.

P&J an Indy supporting press
I am now beginning to doubt if you actually did live in the area.

 

[Hobbit]

View from an SNP voter in a house just outside Aberdeen this morning was how there is a widespread detestation of Johnson, Gove and Rees Mogg - they typify for many Scots all that they dislike in people; and that Sturgeon has to be careful not pushing too hard in 2020 - she needs to let things pan out - but she has a tricky balancing act with many SNP voters not wanting Scotland to be in the EU.

And if you asked a Tory voter from any of the Tory seats in Scotland they'd say....? And if you asked a Labour voter....? And if you asked a LibDem voter....?

As many people have said, a vote for the SNP isn't necessarily a vote for independence, just as a vote for the Tories in Scotland doesn't mean those voters wouldn't vote yes to indy if asked.

 

[SocketRocket]

I see that English, Scottish, and Northern Irish flags are represented in the Union Jack, but nothing resembling the Welsh flag.
Is Wales seeking independence as well?

Its because Wales is a Principality to the Kingdom of England and not a Nation.

 

[Ye Olde Boomer]

Its because Wales is a Principality not a Nation.

They still could have stuck a little red dragon on a green patch somewhere in a corner of the venerable Union Jack, though.

 

[KenL]

Its because Wales is a Principality to the Kingdom of England and not a Nation.

Does that mean that Wales could never get independence?

 

[spongebob59]

worth a read


https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2020/...-with-the-euro/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

And if you asked a Tory voter from any of the Tory seats in Scotland they'd say....? And if you asked a Labour voter....? And if you asked a LibDem voter....?

As many people have said, a vote for the SNP isn't necessarily a vote for independence, just as a vote for the Tories in Scotland doesn't mean those voters wouldn't vote yes to indy if asked.

Indeed.

 

[Fade and Die]

This article is interesting........

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/11/27/the-snp-comes-undone/

it even gives a shout out to our own SILH. “Left-leaning liberals who don’t actually live in Scotland”

 

[Doon frae Troon]

This article is interesting........

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/11/27/the-snp-comes-undone/

it even gives a shout out to our own SILH. “Left-leaning liberals who don’t actually live in Scotland”

Hmmmm Andrew Neil interview.
I seem to recall a certain Tory leader who lacked the balls to do that one.

BTW Neil did not deny that Brexit was a fundamental change to the Edinburgh agreement.
He built his whole reason of argument around something he knew would not happen.

 

[Fade and Die]

Hmmmm Andrew Neil interview.
I seem to recall a certain Tory leader who lacked the balls to do that one.

BTW Neil did not deny that Brexit was a fundamental change to the Edinburgh agreement.
He built his whole reason of argument around something he knew would not happen.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt,"?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

This article is interesting........

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/11/27/the-snp-comes-undone/

it even gives a shout out to our own SILH. “Left-leaning liberals who don’t actually live in Scotland”

I am pretty sure what I'd vote if I got a vote in IndyRef2 when living in England. However it is always going to be very unlikely that 'ex-pats' will ever get a vote in IndyRef2. Were I living in Scotland when Indyref2 is called my view might be the same as it is today - but the experience of actually living in Scotland might have changed that view.

I have a rather left-field idea for Ex-Pats being consulted - ex-pats would vote but their vote would only come into play in some way if the criteria to be met for a Yes vote were only very marginally met or missed. So for instance 49:51 either way - the ex-Pat vote would be taken into consideration in some way. As it happens my feeling is that the Scots ex-pat vote would find a majority No.

 

[Ye Olde Boomer]

I'm obviously not well informed on your political issues, but if our Democrats do as badly in our election as Labour did in yours, I'll be looking for political asylum in Canada.
Our Republicans are far right of your Tories--closer to fascists, really.

 

[stefanovic]

Does that mean that Wales could never get independence?

If the tartan brethren can have their independence referendum then I'm sure Wales can, as can English regions.
How about an independent West Midlands for a start?
We who live there need to protect our West Midlands plateau which is at sufficient altitude to guard against rising sea levels.
People who iive at sea level and experience high tides and coastal erosion should not assume they can come and live here.

 

[Dando]

If the tartan brethren can have their independence referendum then I'm sure Wales can, as can English regions.
How about an independent West Midlands for a start?
We who live there need to protect our West Midlands plateau which is at sufficient altitude to guard against rising sea levels.
People who iive at sea level and experience high tides and coastal erosion should not assume they can come and live here.[/QUOTE

I’m sure the fact you live in the West Midlands would put people off moving there!

 

[Fade and Die]

I am pretty sure what I'd vote if I got a vote in IndyRef2 when living in England. However it is always going to be very unlikely that 'ex-pats' will ever get a vote in IndyRef2. Were I living in Scotland when Indyref2 is called my view might be the same as it is today - but the experience of actually living in Scotland might have changed that view.

I have a rather left-field idea for Ex-Pats being consulted - ex-pats would vote but their vote would only come into play in some way if the criteria to be met for a Yes vote were only very marginally met or missed. So for instance 49:51 either way - the ex-Pat vote would be taken into consideration in some way. As it happens my feeling is that the Scots ex-pat vote would find a majority No.

Not sure what question you seemed to be answering there?...In my post I was just highlighting that the SNP are more popular with Left leaning Liberals that don’t live in Scotland (like yourself) than people that do actually live in Scotland under the SNP rule.

 

[Hobbit]

I am pretty sure what I'd vote if I got a vote in IndyRef2 when living in England. However it is always going to be very unlikely that 'ex-pats' will ever get a vote in IndyRef2. Were I living in Scotland when Indyref2 is called my view might be the same as it is today - but the experience of actually living in Scotland might have changed that view.

I have a rather left-field idea for Ex-Pats being consulted - ex-pats would vote but their vote would only come into play in some way if the criteria to be met for a Yes vote were only very marginally met or missed. So for instance 49:51 either way - the ex-Pat vote would be taken into consideration in some way. As it happens my feeling is that the Scots ex-pat vote would find a majority No.

From my experience of what happens to ex-pats when their home country votes Leave, e.g. cost of healthcare and changes to pensions, I'm inclined to say you might need a protest group to push for a vote etc.

Seriously, its not a walk in the park...

 

[patricks148]

Not sure what question you seemed to be answering there?...In my post I was just highlighting that the SNP are more popular with Left leaning Liberals that don’t live in Scotland (like yourself) than people that do actually live in Scotland under the SNP rule.

you appear to be forgetting the 47 SNP MP's of a totarecently voted in 80 % of the seats, or are you saying they were voted in by left leaning ex pats?

 

[Fade and Die]

From my experience of what happens to ex-pats when their home country votes Leave, e.g. cost of healthcare and changes to pensions, I'm inclined to say you might need a protest group to push for a vote etc.

Seriously, its not a walk in the park...

Do you really think SILH should have any say in a Scottish independence vote? He left 30+ years ago, earned all his money and paid Tax in England, took an English wife and now lives in one of the most affluent areas of Britain, with no plans to return to Scotland. I know he has friends and family in Scotland but so do I. Should I get a vote?

 

[Fade and Die]

you appear to be forgetting the 47 SNP MP's of a totarecently voted in 80 % of the seats, or are you saying they were voted in by left leaning ex pats?

I’m not forgetting anything. More people voted for other parties.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Do you really think SILH should have any say in a Scottish independence vote? He left 30+ years ago, earned all his money and paid Tax in England, took an English wife and now lives in one of the most affluent areas of Britain, with no plans to return to Scotland. I know he has friends and family in Scotland but so do I. Should I get a vote?

If you live there you vote, if you don't you can't. Obvious exceptions are overseas forces and equivalent. It's not tricky is it? Anything else is just questionable.

Voting without facing the consequences is plain wrong.