The SNIP

[chrisd]

Surely anyone with the slightest bit of patriotism in their blood would prefer to be governed from within their own borders / country by their peers, if remotely possible ???.
Sadly I don't think that's possible for the foreseeable future , but just maybe/ hopefully stand on our own one day.
ATM we have Westminster , Brussels and fekin Holyrood ruling us .
BTW I quite like you Sassenachs especially the lassies
Can you imagine England being governed by a Scottish or N.I majority government based in Holyrood or Stormont, how would you guys and Gals like it .

To be fair we wouldn't like it and I quite accept that self governance is best but Scotland has to know that it can live on it's own income if it's going to be independent. Also your own Government gives you quite a number of freebies that we dont enjoy whilst running a huge deficit and that's not going to work in the medium to long term.

This forum just gets too wound up by a couple of posters who delight stirring the poo over what Westminster doesnt do for Scotland but, I believe that leaving will bring more misery in the long term, especially if Scotand pin their hope's on a collapsing EU - best wait and see if leaving the EU in our Union worksfor Scotland and then make a decision

 

[Dando]

To be fair we wouldn't like it and I quite accept that self governance is best but Scotland has to know that it can live on it's own income if it's going to be independent. Also your own Government gives you quite a number of freebies that we dont enjoy whilst running a huge deficit and that's not going to work in the medium to long term.

This forum just gets too wound up by a couple of posters who delight stirring the poo over what Westminster doesnt do for Scotland but, I believe that leaving will bring more misery in the long term, especially if Scotand pin their hope's on a collapsing EU - best wait and see if leaving the EU in our Union worksfor Scotland and then make a decision

Chris, when will you learn that talking sense has no place on some threads!

 

[chrisd]

Chris, when will you learn that talking sense has no place on some threads!

Yea, sorry Dando didn't mean to

 

[Dando]

Yea, sorry Dando didn't mean to

don't do it again or I'll have to report you to Fragger

 

[chrisd]

don't do it again or I'll have to report you to Fragger

Read that and just wee'd myself ? (not cos of Fragger though, at my age I do it regularly)

 

[Doon frae Troon]

So as a brief summary of what a couple of posters appear to be saying, there’s no way the government is going to invest in Scotland and there’s no way for Scotland to do anything about it as, even if the will was there to spend some government money on business development, it wouldn’t be worthwhile anyway?
Should we all just pack up and move to London then?
I’m certainly not finding much in these “economic” arguments to suggest there’s any point in Scotland staying in the UK, that’s for sure.

The Westminster Government had a real chance to show Scotland what it meant in the words of the 2014 Vow to the nation.
Instead they ignored every promise and then declared what is basically an English parliament within Westminster.
We now know where we stand and another 10 years of right wing Tory broken promises to Scotland is not on our agenda

 

[Dando]

The Westminster Government had a real chance to show Scotland what it meant in the words of the 2014 Vow to the nation.
Instead they ignored every promise and then declared what is basically an English parliament within Westminster.
We now know where we stand and another 10 years of right wing Tory broken promises to Scotland is not on our agenda

are you still working on that list of buildings that used "Scottish" oil money

 

[Doon frae Troon]

https://www.bing.com/images/search?...dindex=0&ajaxhist=0&vt=0&eim=0,1,2,3,4,6,8,10

United Celtic States.
The next big thing.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

are you still working on that list of buildings that used "Scottish" oil money

If you had read my post I asked if it was a coincidence that the huge London development programme started in the mid 1970's was related to the discovery of Scottish oil.
I think it was, do you.


BTW what was that to do with the post you did not replied to.

 

[Jacko_G]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....yed-at-the-faslane-nuclear-base-1-4361349/amp

Just got to find jobs for the thousands employed in and around Faslane because Trident is there.

Do jobs not transfer?

MOD jobs, etc they not transferrable. Will cost billions to move and store trident.

Get JocXit done.

To be fair we wouldn't like it and I quite accept that self governance is best but Scotland has to know that it can live on it's own income if it's going to be independent. Also your own Government gives you quite a number of freebies that we dont enjoy whilst running a huge deficit and that's not going to work in the medium to long term.

This forum just gets too wound up by a couple of posters who delight stirring the poo over what Westminster doesnt do for Scotland but, I believe that leaving will bring more misery in the long term, especially if Scotand pin their hope's on a collapsing EU - best wait and see if leaving the EU in our Union worksfor Scotland and then make a decision

Couldn't care less what you or others think. Governing our own country is the only way forward and it will happen. Possibly not in my lifetime sadly but Scotland needs away from England.

 

[Ye Olde Boomer]

I'm not understanding this thread. I thought it was about vasectomy.

 

[Fade and Die]

If you had read my post I asked if it was a coincidence that the huge London development programme started in the mid 1970's was related to the discovery of Scottish oil.
I think it was, do you.


BTW what was that to do with the post you did not replied to.

No such thing, it is British oil. Explored and extracted with British and American money. You profited from it plenty with increased industry in relation to it and you profited exponentially Via a wealthier U.K. through the Barnet formula.

if your heed wasn’t so full of Nationalist nonsense you would see as a country Scotland is doing pretty well. After all it was you saying you need cheap foreign workers to do the excessive graft for you during the Brexit debate wasn’t it? I bet most of the EU countries that you so desire to be part of would love to be in your position.

 

[drdel]

Do jobs not transfer?

MOD jobs, etc they not transferrable. Will cost billions to move and store trident.

Get JocXit done.


Couldn't care less what you or others think. Governing our own country is the only way forward and it will happen. Possibly not in my lifetime sadly but Scotland needs away from England.

If that is your honest belief and if it is the majority opinion why would you expect 'us' to care and bother to invest or Westminster to develop favourable policies?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I'm not understanding this thread. I thought it was about vasectomy.

I'm amazed the title has never been changed. It is about the SNP, Scottish National Party, who want independence from the rest of the UK.

Apologies if your post was a gag, I know you are in America and new to the forum so I don't know if you are aware of all this.

 

[Dando]

I'm not understanding this thread. I thought it was about vasectomy.

Having the snip is less painful than reading some of the tripe written on here

 

[azazel]

if your heed wasn’t so full of Nationalist nonsense you would see as a country Scotland is doing pretty well. After all it was you saying you need cheap foreign workers to do the excessive graft for you during the Brexit debate wasn’t it? I bet most of the EU countries that you so desire to be part of would love to be in your position.

You’ve inadvertently nailed one of the key points of Scottish independence: if people think we’re doing ok or well as things stand, then because England wants to leave the EU we’ve got to go too whether we like it or not, risking the current “success”. That’s a fundamental change from the position of 2014 and as such, given there’s a majority for it in the Scottish parliament, a second referendum on independence is perfectly legitimate and, indeed, necessary.

 

[Ye Olde Boomer]

If Scotland wants independence, can New England take its place in the UK?

Like Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, and the USSR, the US is ripe for partition.
Our right wing nut jobs and progressive liberals are no longer mere political opponents.
They're now ideological enemies and genuinely hate one another.
And they're always in a 49.5 - 50.5 balance, one way or another.
Family members have become estranged.
Your problems are no worse than ours and likely not as bad.

 

[chrisd]

Couldn't care less what you or others think. Governing our own country is the only way forward and it will happen. Possibly not in my lifetime sadly but Scotland needs away from England.

Believe me, we care much less than you do, and if we were given a vote in that referendum i reckon you'd be gone by the next day!

 

[Jacko_G]

If that is your honest belief and if it is the majority opinion why would you expect 'us' to care and bother to invest or Westminster to develop favourable policies?

Correct - you don't.

 

[SocketRocket]

No such thing, it is British oil. Explored and extracted with British and American money. You profited from it plenty with increased industry in relation to it and you profited exponentially Via a wealthier U.K. through the Barnet formula.

if your heed wasn’t so full of Nationalist nonsense you would see as a country Scotland is doing pretty well. After all it was you saying you need cheap foreign workers to do the excessive graft for you during the Brexit debate wasn’t it? I bet most of the EU countries that you so desire to be part of would love to be in your position.

Lets face it, those mars bars arnt going to fry themselves.