The Footie Thread

[Arthur Wedge]

Team of the year

Martinez

Dalot
Saliba
VVD
Robinson

Rice
McAllister
Odegaard

Foden
Watkins
Palmer

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Personally (and with a bias) I'd put Leno in goal. Done well with another leaky defence in front of him and flourished since becoming Fulham #1

 

[Orikoru]

Can't argue about too many players, but got to disagree with your GK. Is this not the same GK that everyone suggests is really weak at corners?

Trying to look at some stats, to see what I'm missing. His shot save % is 67.7%. That is lower than Alisson, Areola, Dubravka, Ederson, Kelleher, Leno, Muric, Onana, Ortega, Pickford, Pope, Raya, Sa, Sanchez and Verbruggen (it would have been quicker to list the keepers worse than him). In fact, of all the keepers to play at least 10 games, Onana has the highest save percentage, at 74.9%. Vicario is also far down the list in clean sheet percentage.

So, I'm really struggling to see a good justification in him being the best keeper in the league this year.

Bone of contention perhaps, but he was fouled for a few of those and the ref turned a blind eye. He probably does have a slight weakness with crosses, but I didn't see any keepers with no weaknesses this year.

On here: https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/keepersadv/Premier-League-Stats Vicario rates pretty highly in the saves v expected goals metrics. But then so does Onana. Vicario's 6th with Sa, Martinez, Pickford, Areola & Onana above him, as well as Pope but he's only played half the games. He is the second best at sweeping outside his area as well, which is vital with our insanely high line of course. As I said, probably the most debatable position as you could make a case for 10 different keepers.

 

[nickjdavis]

so a meaningless, post season friendly kickabout, in a far away land, ends in a 1-1 draw....

...and there's going to be a penalty shootout!!!

 

[Tashyboy]

I’m surprised there’s been no mention of Pep not renewing his contract possibly and looking for a change.

There are rumours that him and KDB could end up at New York City at the end of next season when his contract is due to end.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

There are rumours that him and KDB could end up at New York City at the end of next season when his contract is due to end.

And Arteta replacing him?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

They were talking about this on Overlap

It’s hard to see anyone apart from those

But what about if you include before football was invented by the Premiership

Who from

Bob Paisley
Howard Kendall
Brian Clough
Kenny Dalglish
Don Revie
Herbert Chapman
Bill Shankly
Matt Busby

Would get into the top 5 ?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Clough would have to be up there for his Forest achievements alone.

 

[Orikoru]

1. Ferguson
2. Pep
3. Wenger
4. Mourinho
5. Clough

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Pep
Ferguson
Wenger
Clough
Klopp

 

[GB72]

May be just my rose tinted specs from my Youth but not sure how you would rank Klopp above Liverpool managers like Paisley. Could argue that Klopp would not be in the top 3 Liverpool managers let alone top 3 on an all time list. Not having a dig but from my hazy memory you could argue for Paisley, Shankly and Dalglish above Klopp

 

[Arthur Wedge]

For me

Paisley ( his record is unmatched in terms of titles vs years )
Ferguson
Clough
Pep
Busby

 

[Arthur Wedge]

May be just my rose tinted specs from my Youth but not sure how you would rank Klopp above Liverpool managers like Paisley. Could argue that Klopp would not be in the top 3 Liverpool managers let alone top 3 on an all time list. Not having a dig but from my hazy memory you could argue for Paisley, Shankly and Dalglish above Klopp

That’s exactly how I have it

I put Klopp alongside Fagan behind Shanks , Paisley and Kenny

Paisley won in 9 years

6 titles
3 European cups
UEFA Cup
3 league Cups

Staggering

 

[Orikoru]

Pep
Ferguson
Wenger
Clough
Klopp

Confused as to why you'd rate Klopp (1 Premier league title) above Mourinho (3 Premier league titles)?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Confused as to why you'd rate Klopp (1 Premier league title) above Mourinho (3 Premier league titles)?

You have multiple managers above Paisley who won 6 titles

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Confused as to why you'd rate Klopp (1 Premier league title) above Mourinho (3 Premier league titles)?

Think he got more out of what he had to work with. Felt Mourinho was able to spend far more to get the players he needed straight away whereas Klopp did it over time plus a CL win

 

[Paperboy]

In the premiership everyone seems to forget Claudio Ranieri, Won it with Leicester and came close with Chelsea as well.

 

[Orikoru]

You have multiple managers above Paisley who won 6 titles

Mate, I'm 37 I have no idea who Paisley is. How am I supposed to judge someone who died when I was 10?

 

[Swango1980]

I find it impossible to rank managers that were present in different eras just like I have trouble doing the same to players. Even with great trophy halls, I find it impossible to really rate what their opposition was like compared to other eras.

For example, Neil Lennon won 10 main trophies with Celtic. However, it is fair to say that we'd all agree his competition wasn't amazing, so I doubt anyone would consider him as an all time great manager? (not even sure where he'd rank in the top managers in Scottish League?)

Easier to rank managers that competed in the same era, although even then they all have different problems at each club they are at to deal with. They all have their own individual strengths as well. Ferguson wasn't really a coach. He managed the players and the staff, and got the best out of everyone. He knew enough about football to know exactly what he wanted from the team in terms of tactics, but he'd let others coach the players. Whereas someone like Pep seems to be very much a hands on coach, but I'm not sure he'd be as hands on in other areas of the club that Ferguson was? Klopp is emotional and high tempo, and so when his teams are on it he seems to transmit that energy to his players. Mourinho was dogged, he could build a really tough group of players and got them prepared for battle every game, us against the world.

 

[PaulMdj]

Truly believe this is another “impossible” list, similar to greatest player etc, it’s clouded by age and who you support.

People like Don Revie, Bill Nicholson, Harry Catterick won trophies in the 60’s & 70’s, Sir Matt Busby won loads.

I wonder how many of the modern managers would get on with the budgets relative to those guys had?

80’s onwards Paisley, Dalglish, Kendall, Clough, Graham and of course SAF.

Others, Bobby Robson, Sir Alf Ramsey.