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And then he takes off Greenwood who was actually playing well and replaces him with Fred ?! Baffling

Baffling indeed.

Rashford was having (yet another) stinker, and the game changing substitution involved bringing on the abysmal Fred, and moving Rashford out to the right where he was only likely to play even worse than he already was. I was left totally bemused.

I actually think Solskjaer was under the impression during the second half that it was only a matter of time. It’s not as though Villarreal were playing an expansive attacking game. They were very, very negative. If United had been anywhere near on song there was only one side in it.

But they weren’t. Rashford should have been hooked after an hour, but I just don’t think Solskjaer had faith in anyone on the bench. There was no Plan B in the event his best available eleven, all on the pitch, were not performing.

Is that the fault of the manager or the lack of depth in the squad? Last night, at least, I think there was blame on both sides.
 
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every club in the top half has plenty of "deadwood" that could do with clearing, the difference is some clubs can afford to leave them be and buy replacements

others, Arsenal especially, just keep picking them lol

far easier said than done to move on players who are on hefty wages that they cant command elsewhere

And we're very grateful... :D
 

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It’s a heck of risk mate - do you give OGS that level of money for those players when he just isn’t proven as yet to be able to get the best out of them . There are managers like Conte , Loew available and even ones like Simeone may want to move - Utd have never been afraid to go after the big players and spend the money needed but for a manager they seem reluctant.
Utd could bring in the three players suggested but I don’t see it being enough to challenge for the title ?‍♂️

If that were true, and it clearly isn't, we'd have Sancho, Haaland and Bellingham in our squad.
 
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If that were true, and it clearly isn't, we'd have Sancho, Haaland and Bellingham in our squad.

Pogba £95mil
Maguire £80mil
Lukaku £80mil
Di Maria £66mil
Marital £55mil
Fred £55mil
AWB £50mil

And then going back - players like Ferdinand, Rooney , RvN big fees at the time , and even further back the likes of Cole and Keane etc

So yes they have never had an issue spending big on big players
 

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Did you miss the non-Utd fans bit?

Why dont you just show some bollocks and instead of a generalisation name names, or even more politely, try and pick apart what they say?

If we shouldn't be commenting on other teams "as experts", why do you talk about our team so much, instead of your own?
 
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Why dont you just show some bollocks and instead of a generalisation name names, or even more politely, try and pick apart what they say?

If we shouldn't be commenting on other teams "as experts", why do you talk about our team so much, instead of your own?
How about you get your facts right!
I mentioned a conversation on sunday and get replies from you and Dave, LP has his sly dig with a hilarious meme, yet I’m always talking about yous!

Infact the first mention of either Club from an opposing fan on sunday was also LP, why not ask him the same question? Pointless me asking him, he won’t reply directly to me just likes your posts or comments in the third person!

He’ll be over the moon his big brother has turned up.

As for today, there were far too many “expert hindsight opinions” to answer them all.

If you have a problem with what I post feel free to ignore them, you’re getting boring now only coming on to have a jib at me.
 

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All this talk of how crap Fred, Lindelof, De Gea and Rashford were last night, and they were, yet very little mention of how poor Pogba and golden boy Fernandes were.
 

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All this talk of how crap Fred, Lindelof, De Gea and Rashford were last night, and they were, yet very little mention of how poor Pogba and golden boy Fernandes were.

The issue for me isn’t really about last night. It’s longer term. And for a considerable period of time Marcus Rashford has not been worth his place. Lindelöf and Fred have never been United players, and never will be.

Fernandes, much like he did towards the end of last season, has run out of steam. I fail to see how he can keep going if he barely misses a minute. He’s going to have bad games and, unfortunately, they’ve come bang at the wrong time. I’m not about to criticise a player without whom we’d probably be where Arsenal are.

And Pogba? Infuriating last night because his quality is not in doubt in my eyes. He just doesn’t deliver consistently.
 
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All this talk of how crap Fred, Lindelof, De Gea and Rashford were last night, and they were, yet very little mention of how poor Pogba and golden boy Fernandes were.

Right at the start I mentioned that both went missing last night

It’s not the first time for Pogba and I would expect this is the summer they may sell him back to Juve and hope to get a good amount but for £100mil he must be close to be one of the biggest financial flops in the Prem

Fernandes - not for the first time was quiet in a big game , how much are his goals from penalties masking the lack of impact in some of the big games - 23 pens out of 36 goals, is he at that top table of attacking centre mids ?
 

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The issue for me isn’t really about last night. It’s longer term. And for a considerable period of time Marcus Rashford has not been worth his place. Lindelöf and Fred have never been United players, and never will be.

Fernandes, much like he did towards the end of last season, has run out of steam. I fail to see how he can keep going if he barely misses a minute. He’s going to have bad games and, unfortunately, they’ve come bang at the wrong time. I’m not about to criticise a player without whom we’d probably be where Arsenal are.

And Pogba? Infuriating last night because his quality is not in doubt in my eyes. He just doesn’t deliver consistently.

Would you stick with Ole, if not of who is available, which manager ?
 

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Right at the start I mentioned that both went missing last night

It’s not the first time for Pogba and I would expect this is the summer they may sell him back to Juve and hope to get a good amount but for £100mil he must be close to be one of the biggest financial flops in the Prem

Fernandes - not for the first time was quiet in a big game , how much are his goals from penalties masking the lack of impact in some of the big games - 23 pens out of 36 goals, is he at that top table of attacking centre mids ?

On the couple of occasions I managed to get to Old Trafford before Covid struck last year, I kept a close eye on Fernandes. His movement off the ball is right up there with the most intelligent I have ever seen. An absolute breath of fresh air.

It’s not all about the goals. The assists are there as well, and his range of passing is top drawer. Whilst I do agree he has a tendency to go missing at times in big games, he’s been in this league a little over twelve months. He will only get better.
 

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Would you stick with Ole, if not of who is available, which manager ?

I’m happy to give him at least another season, Tash, but as I said up the thread he needs a transfer window where the players brought in are the players he wants. He can only fairly be judged on his squad.

Of the managers available the ones who are most likely to be linked will be Conte and Zidane. Whilst not doubting Conte is a winner, it comes at a cost. He seems to have a tendency to fall out with owners (although if he fell out with the Glazers he’d be straight to the top of my Christmas card list), but also leave chaos in his wake. I’m not sure the club needs another short term fix which unpicks a long term strategy.

And I’m just not convinced when it comes to Zidane’s man management. I have a feeling the harmony there currently seems to be at the club would not last long with him there.

So, for me, I’m happy to stick with Ole. We still play some bilge at times, but some of the flair is back at times when things click. They just need to click more often.
 

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How about you get your facts right!
I mentioned a conversation on sunday and get replies from you and Dave, LP has his sly dig with a hilarious meme, yet I’m always talking about yous!

Infact the first mention of either Club from an opposing fan on sunday was also LP, why not ask him the same question? Pointless me asking him, he won’t reply directly to me just likes your posts or comments in the third person!

He’ll be over the moon his big brother has turned up.

As for today, there were far too many “expert hindsight opinions” to answer them all.

If you have a problem with what I post feel free to ignore them, you’re getting boring now only coming on to have a jib at me.

What facts?

I have this deep aversion to people talking bollocks, that I find hard to ignore.

You moan when people put you on ignore, moan and suggest they do now. For some reason a few weeks ago your "style" changed, dont know what it was, but since then you have turned into a big divvy. I'm not going to hide behind generalisations. Sort yourself out.
 

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Right at the start I mentioned that both went missing last night

It’s not the first time for Pogba and I would expect this is the summer they may sell him back to Juve and hope to get a good amount but for £100mil he must be close to be one of the biggest financial flops in the Prem

Fernandes - not for the first time was quiet in a big game , how much are his goals from penalties masking the lack of impact in some of the big games - 23 pens out of 36 goals, is he at that top table of attacking centre mids ?

Bruno is quality. In addition to his obvious talent, he was the catalyst that stopped us from being a mid table team when he signed. His leadership qualities are also probably better than Maguires. He's a winner. He's got the attitude that fans of teams like Man U and Liverpool demand.

He goes missing in big games as he's a marked man, so his influence on thr game isn't as much as it should be. It's like when people say Salah has had a bad season.....yet he's finished 2nd in the goal scoring table and is undoubtedly one of the best players in the prem. Those that know, know.
 
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Bruno is quality. In addition to his obvious talent, he was the catalyst that stopped us from being a mid table team when he signed. His leadership qualities are also probably better than Maguires. He's a winner. He's got the attitude that fans of teams like Man U and Liverpool demand.

He goes missing in big games as he's a marked man, so his influence on thr game isn't as much as it should be. It's like when people say Salah has had a bad season.....yet he's finished 2nd in the goal scoring table and is undoubtedly one of the best players in the prem. Those that know, know.

During the final he needed to spend more time concentrating on his football and less time whining to the ref.
 
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Bruno is quality. In addition to his obvious talent, he was the catalyst that stopped us from being a mid table team when he signed. His leadership qualities are also probably better than Maguires. He's a winner. He's got the attitude that fans of teams like Man U and Liverpool demand.

He goes missing in big games as he's a marked man, so his influence on thr game isn't as much as it should be. It's like when people say Salah has had a bad season.....yet he's finished 2nd in the goal scoring table and is undoubtedly one of the best players in the prem. Those that know, know.

I’m just looking at the last couple of games and he seemed to spend more time throwing himself to the floor looking for fouls and even more so constantly going to the referee every other minute . He is clearly a very talented player , seen him dominate other teams but if he is being squeezed out against the big teams he needs to find a way to get involved - the top players do that plus he prob also needs someone in the team to do the dirty work for him to let him free , going to be a big season for him next year

Looks like we are sealing out first transfer

 

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During the final he needed to spend more time concentrating on his football and less time whining to the ref.
I honestly hate Bruno, I've never seen anyone moan as much as him in football. Not just at the ref, but at his teammates when they haven't passed to him, at opponents who had the audacity to try and tackle him - literally everyone, and it's non-stop. It's like in his head he believes he's something between Cristiano Ronaldo and a god.
 
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