The Footie Thread

[Arthur Wedge]

The thing that I find tricky is national loyalty - patriotism - when it comes to sport. If England had faced Germany in the last world cup or euros finals and he was asked who he wanted to win...he sure as hell aint saying England.

What would he say if this happened now? What would he feel if this happened now?

When does the salary out-trump national loyalty?

Or am I just being naiive...

I think professional pride will have him wanting the country he is managing to win - regardless of who they are playing

 

[Bdill93]

I think professional pride will have him wanting the country he is managing to win - regardless of who they are playing

Yeah this!

 

[AmandaJR]

I think based on the number of players that play for countries that their gran once visited on holiday rather than where they were born and raised, you are being naive. It makes you feel better, I feel the same way. No way could I pull on a Welsh shirt, as an example, and sing Land of my Fathers when I'm English. Something happens when you become professional, it becomes a business . Whether club or country........

Yep. Same. So it seems at odds to me...I want him to bellow out God Save The King with genuine emotion but that's not going to happen.

Oh well. I will also be a very happy Engerlander if we win the World Cup

 

[Swango1980]

I think based on the number of players that play for countries that their gran once visited on holiday rather than where they were born and raised, you are being naive. It makes you feel better, I feel the same way. No way could I pull on a Welsh shirt, as an example, and sing Land of my Fathers when I'm English. Something happens when you become professional, it becomes a business . Whether club or country........

It might also be because you become more exposed to different cultures.

Not that I could ever be in their shoes. But, if I was a manager, I wouldn't have any connection to other countries and could not see myself managing them. But, if I managed a club in France, Spain, Italy, etc for several years, a considerable part of my life, 24 hours a day, would expose me to their football, fans, culture, way of life. If it is an overall positive experience for me, I may well develop a deeper connection to that country and would become an honour to manage that country (hoping that the fans have also taken positively to me)

That is one potential reason. Of course, your point is still extremely valid. A salary of £6 million a year is also quite appealing after all. I'd guess Tuchel does feel a connection to English fans due to his experiences, so could well be part of the reason. I'm sure Erikssen has a fondness of English football (is that what people from Scandanavian countries are exposed to most?). Although then I try and think why Capello took the job? I can only think of the money, Google tells me he is the highest ever paid England manager, with a salary of £6.7 million

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I think professional pride will have him wanting the country he is managing to win - regardless of who they are playing

You certainly have to think so

 

[clubchamp98]

I think professional pride will have him wanting the country he is managing to win - regardless of who they are playing

Yes and the bonus .
There must be one in the contract.

 

[Morfeen75]

Surely its never black and white when it comes to being a player and just wanting to represent your country and as a fan what someone thinks

Carragher played under a foreign manager when he started playing for England

He was very clear that he thinks when it comes to international teams they should in his opinion have a home coach -and that’s the same for Italy , Germany etc

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But when I think of England now, and we're so close to winning a major tournament, there's so much good work that has gone into producing these players at St George's Park, it just doesn't feel right to me that we have a foreign coach.

'Again, it's not just about England. I don't think Italy should, I don't think Germany should, I don't think France should. Portugal have it at the moment in Roberto Martinez which I find strange.

'That's my take on it. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. England have got a brilliant manager, but I think England should have an English manager.'

Do you ever get tired of going round and round and round trying to get people to change their mind?

You can defend St Carragher as much as you want, i wont change my mind. He is a hypocrite. He came out of retirement for a foreign coach. Not just for England, for Capello. He wanted to work with Capello.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Do you ever get tired of going round and round and round trying to get people to change their mind?

You can defend St Carragher as much as you want, i wont change my mind. He is a hypocrite. He came out of retirement for a foreign coach. Not just for England, for Capello. He wanted to work with Capello.

No one is “defending” anyone

Someone wanted to play for their country, put the England shirt on regardless of his feelings as a player

As a fan his has an opinion of what he wants to see in England

Maybe you are just unable to distinguish between how someone acts as a professional sportsman and how they are as a fan - it’s very the difference

I can’t recall Carragher saying that it was ok that a foriegn manager was ok and then has changed his mind ?

And I’m sure Neville isn’t a hypocrite as well by saying the same thing as Carragher

 

[Slime]

I think I'm with Carragher on this one.
I'd definitely have preffered an English coach, but we have now got a German coach.
I'll still support England just the same as I would had we got an English coach.

 

[nickjdavis]

I agree Kane is out of position to much.
Coming to deep he just gets in the way .
If he does get the ball and plays a nice ball wide the winger can’t cross it as there is nobody in the box then.

I've been watching the Under 21's a bit recently...they have no issues with getting the ball out wide and playing it into the box...the wingers know there will be players in there to hit....the players get in the box because they know the ball is coming....none of this laboured recycling of the ball across the front of the box and back again.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

No one is “defending” anyone

Someone wanted to play for their country, put the England shirt on regardless of his feelings as a player

As a fan his has an opinion of what he wants to see in England

Maybe you are just unable to distinguish between how someone acts as a professional sportsman and how they are as a fan - it’s very the difference

I can’t recall Carragher saying that it was ok that a foriegn manager was ok and then has changed his mind ?

And I’m sure Neville isn’t a hypocrite as well by saying the same thing as Carragher

He isn't a fan. He is a paid pundit. Same as Neville. They have an opinion on whether it should have been an England manager but they are giving that very much with their professional head on and nothing else

 

[HomerJSimpson]

This may explain the FA's decision not to appoint an English manager

Thomas Tuchel appointed England head coach: English coaches absent from Premier League, Champions League challenges

Thomas Tuchels England appointment has raised questions about English coaches; just 20 per cent of bosses in Premier League are English; no English coach has won a major trophy in over 15 years and only Frank Lampard has managed double-figure Champions League matches among active coaches

www.skysports.com

 

[Tashyboy]

Got to be expected when listening to talksport.
They say anything to be controversial.

I am all for listening to constructive football stations. Talk crap don’t come anywhere near it, and to be honest I kinda lose interest from anyone that quotes that station. It just seems argumentative.

 

[Pin-seeker]

I am all for listening to constructive football stations. Talk crap don’t come anywhere near it, and to be honest I kinda lose interest from anyone that quotes that station. It just seems argumentative.

Maybe that’s why some like it & listen to it

 

[clubchamp98]

I've been watching the Under 21's a bit recently...they have no issues with getting the ball out wide and playing it into the box...the wingers know there will be players in there to hit....the players get in the box because they know the ball is coming....none of this laboured recycling of the ball across the front of the box and back again.

I wonder why that stops in the full side then.

It’s what most of them do at PL clubs though.
I can’t remember what system Tuchel played at Chelsea!

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I wonder why that stops in the full side then.

Fear. Fear from the manager in case they get beaten and the inevitable media backlash. Fear of playing often in an unfamiliar position or an unfamiliar style and not wanting to make a mistake. I guess given how close we have got lately a fear of winning. With the youngsters there isn't the media scrutiny and if they seem more capable of adapting to different styles although Carsley seems to have adopted his preferred method so perhaps they are now more comfy with it

 

[Swango1980]

The FA said 10 people were interviewed for the England job. I'd have thought Eddie Howe was bound to be one of them, as one of the front runners. However, he has said today he wasn't interviewed, or even contacted by the FA at any time. So, I wonder who the 10 people were?

We know Tuchel was one of them. I'm sure Potter must have been one of them also, given he isn't in a job so an easy one to talk to. But, what about the other 8?

 

[clubchamp98]

The FA said 10 people were interviewed for the England job. I'd have thought Eddie Howe was bound to be one of them, as one of the front runners. However, he has said today he wasn't interviewed, or even contacted by the FA at any time. So, I wonder who the 10 people were?

We know Tuchel was one of them. I'm sure Potter must have been one of them also, given he isn't in a job so an easy one to talk to. But, what about the other 8?

Tash was one

 

[Lord Tyrion]

The FA said 10 people were interviewed for the England job. I'd have thought Eddie Howe was bound to be one of them, as one of the front runners. However, he has said today he wasn't interviewed, or even contacted by the FA at any time. So, I wonder who the 10 people were?

We know Tuchel was one of them. I'm sure Potter must have been one of them also, given he isn't in a job so an easy one to talk to. But, what about the other 8?

You start to wonder if someone just made that up. 10 sounds like an excessive number anyway but to exclude Howe when they claim to have talked to some English candidates seems pretty extraordinary. As you say, let's here the names of the other 8 (we won't unless some mischievous person at the FA leaks it unfortunately)

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Thought I saw somewhere his wage demands were too high