Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
Yes really
He was a decent defender at prem level ,
In the same way Maguire is a decent defender
Eric Dier etc
Decent players who played to a good level in the Prem
He was a decent defender at prem level ,
In the same way Maguire is a decent defender
Eric Dier etc
Decent players who played to a good level in the Prem
Swango1980
Well-known member
One of my English friends is very positive about England. Just seen this on his facebook:
Boring, boring Southgate.
It's so boring that England keep finishing top of their groups.
Euro 2024 finals - 1st
Euro 2024 qualifying - 1st
Qatar 2022 finals - 1st
Qatar 2022 qualifying - 1st
Euro 2020 finals - 1st
Euro 2020 qualifying - 1st
Russia 2018 finals - 2nd (blessed relief from the boredom)
Russia 2018 qualifying - 1st
To top it all, once we've bored our way through to the boring knockout stages of boring major tournaments. We then bore our way through to boring semi-finals and the first boring final for 50+ years.
I miss the good old days of losing in the group stages like Brazil 2014, or failing to qualify at all like Euro 2008. They certainly weren't boring.
His record is appalling and he has to go. Big Sam is available again.
I think he is basically saying to all those Southgate critics "grow up, and appreciate having one of the finest managers in England's history"
Boring, boring Southgate.
It's so boring that England keep finishing top of their groups.
Euro 2024 finals - 1st
Euro 2024 qualifying - 1st
Qatar 2022 finals - 1st
Qatar 2022 qualifying - 1st
Euro 2020 finals - 1st
Euro 2020 qualifying - 1st
Russia 2018 finals - 2nd (blessed relief from the boredom)
Russia 2018 qualifying - 1st
To top it all, once we've bored our way through to the boring knockout stages of boring major tournaments. We then bore our way through to boring semi-finals and the first boring final for 50+ years.
I miss the good old days of losing in the group stages like Brazil 2014, or failing to qualify at all like Euro 2008. They certainly weren't boring.
His record is appalling and he has to go. Big Sam is available again.
I think he is basically saying to all those Southgate critics "grow up, and appreciate having one of the finest managers in England's history"
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
How many trophies has he won?
Players and managers are rated by the trophy cabinet.
Like players that are brilliant on the training ground but not on the pitch.
Pin-seeker
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Get your mate signed up to the forum.
Pin-seeker
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Ruined his good looks
We discussed this over a pint last night. The question was asked whether we would be happy with England playing the same brand of football for four more games, winning them all, and ending as European Champions. Eight of us there, and opinion was split straight down the middle.
My view? I would absolutely love to see England win a major trophy during my lifetime. But I’m a football fan first and foremost, and watch it to be entertained. I’ve said it here countless times in relation to United.
So if England were to bore their way to a tournament win, whilst it would be nice to end the drought, it would not live long in the memory and, for that reason alone, I would not be celebrating wildly.
Sorry, but that’s me. Football is supposed to provide some escape from the drudgery. Not add to it.
Arthur Wedge
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Could also ask in that period how many top teams have the faced and beaten
Maybe a poor German side in 2020 ?
That also doesn’t highlight the level of football played as well - not been that inspiring
Not whilst I’m a moderator. I’m not sure I could cope with the carnage.
I’m most definitely not agreeing with you on this one. You post plenty of rubbish on here pertaining to be your expert view but this is right up there with your worst.
Stay off the beer.
Swango1980
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He actually already is a forum member, he just doesn't come on the footie thread. He sticks to the golf related ones.
Swango1980
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I pointed out he has won nothing, and finishing top of groups isn't much of an achievement, given that England are pretty much always seeded first. Also pointed out England tend to lose anytime they face anyone decent in an important tie.
He was having none of it, too negative for him
I pointed out he has won nothing, and finishing top of groups isn't much of an achievement, given that England are pretty much always seeded first. Also pointed out England tend to lose anytime they face anyone decent in an important tie.
He was having none of it, too negative for him
He’s rubbish as a manager, and pretty much every Boro supporter knew that before he got the England job. Pretty much every Boro supporter were shocked and dismayed he got the England job. And pretty much every Boro supporter are embarrassed he’s still in the job.
Looking at a stats table he’s frequently got them beyond the group stages because they’ve been seeded and avoided the better teams. And it could be argued he’s got them to semi’s and finals but as entertainment it’s been utter rubbish.
Southgate runs Tony Pulis as a close second to putting out teams that frequently see a massive spike in calls to the Samaritans.
Arthur Wedge
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I’m most definitely not agreeing with you on this one. You post plenty of rubbish on here pertaining to be your expert view but this is right up there with your worst.
Stay off the beer.
So what level would you say he was at
he had a good career at decent level clubs , picked up a few medals
Southgate was a good player in the same way many other decent players played in the prem but will never be put up with the level of the top players through the years
AmandaJR
Money List Winner
Ruined his good looks
How did he hit his chin before his nose??!!
PaulMdj
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That’s irelevant, haven’t all the English managers since and in some ways including Sir Alf faced poor teams and failed to beat top teams.
That record doesn’t belong to Southgate and Southgate alone, no manager chooses what group they are drawn in or who’ll they’ll play in the knockouts.
Arthur Wedge
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Surely it’s relevant if a team wants to win a tournament- they have to beat the top teams
18 - lost to Croatia and also lost to Belgium twice
20 - lost to Italy
22 - Lost for France
Qualifying is diluted in recent years with the amount of lower ranked teams that have entered and qualifying shouldn’t be seen as an achievement when you look at the squad
And yes in the past other England managers have also lost to top teams during tournaments
So what level would you say he was at
he had a good career at decent level clubs , picked up a few medals
Southgate was a good player in the same way many other decent players played in the prem but will never be put up with the level of the top players through the years
In your opinion.
I watched him week in week out from the terraces, home and away, whilst you were getting 5mins on Match of the Day. But I’ll give you a comparison you might be able to relate to. He was no VVD defensively. Was he close to VVD defensively, mmm maybe but equally maybe not, but not a million miles away but damn good. However, in carrying the ball out of defence and distribution he easily beat VVD. And he did it with (relatively) poor players around him compared to what L’pool had at that time.
Streets ahead of Maguire both defensively and coming forward.
By all means slag him off for his managing, and I’ll stand next to you on that one, but in terms of how he played week in week out in a bang average team you’re clueless.
clubchamp98
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He must have got loads of medals at school for coming lastI pointed out he has won nothing, and finishing top of groups isn't much of an achievement, given that England are pretty much always seeded first. Also pointed out England tend to lose anytime they face anyone decent in an important tie.
He was having none of it, too negative for him
Winning the group is like being top of the PL after the first game.
Arthur Wedge
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So why didn’t a big club step in and pick him up ? If someone is that good then any top club in Europe is grabbing him
And I used Maguire because he has had more caps for England than Southgate when you highlighted how many caps Southgate gate - imo it’s not a huge barometer on someone’s ability
I think he was good but I wouldn’t put him amongst the top 20 defenders that been seen in the Prem
But that’s all about opinions
