The Footie Thread

[PJ87]

You’re not wrong. My mate is a mad L’pool fan. Pointless talking football with him as he’s never wrong. Lived in Manchester for a good while. Utd fans were, in the main, rabid when triggered but City fans were just normal guys.

One I work with.. he dishes out "banta" but if anyone gives anything back he can't take it ..

He swaps and never works when LiVARpool are playing anymore as he can't take the Mickey taking

Very strange behaviour

I remember growing up one of the worst times I had watching England was with 2 "united" fans ... Too used to winning things so soon as England played rubbish they get shout and grumpy

Glad I support someone crap .. you get used to it

 

[GreiginFife]

I was watching a game where Ramsdale was taking over 30 seconds to take a goal kick from the second minute. I was also watching a game where Jorginho rolled around on the floor like he'd been shot whenever a Newcastle player entered the same postcode as him. What you call a "mature" performance I call cheating. I'm just glad that Man City look like they'll take advantage of Arsenal choking.

Hmm, methinks you may have an Arsenal Aversion Bias. Newcastle are, statistically, the slowest (or up there) in aspects like, % of ball in play, time taken to restart at gaol kicks, free kicks etc... And that's not just one game, that's over the course of the entire season.

I mean, if you just dislike Arsenal, I get it. But if you are going to decry the "game management" aspect, then at least be consistent with condemnation with the worst offenders.

 

[Tashyboy]

Hmm, methinks you may have an Arsenal Aversion Bias. Newcastle are, statistically, the slowest (or up there) in aspects like, % of ball in play, time taken to restart at gaol kicks, free kicks etc... And that's not just one game, that's over the course of the entire season.

I mean, if you just dislike Arsenal, I get it. But if you are going to decry the "game management" aspect, then at least be consistent with condemnation with the worst offenders.

Listening to a guy at the side of me last week at the West Ham game. Fabianski was taking an age taking goal kicks when it was 0-0. It was obvious. The fans were going mad to get him booked. One of the City’s fans gripes was the week before City beat Fulham 2-1, City slowed the game down so much that Ederson got booked after a few slow goal kicks. City fans went mad, they see it week after week and no bookings then Ederson gets booked, but it’s not his first. Some teams do it from the first minute, others like City and Newcastle yesterday do it at different times. Maybe it was a coincidence that when City went one up, Fabianski never took his time. Again there is no consistency to booking keepers when time wasting.

 

[clubchamp98]

Hmm, methinks you may have an Arsenal Aversion Bias. Newcastle are, statistically, the slowest (or up there) in aspects like, % of ball in play, time taken to restart at gaol kicks, free kicks etc... And that's not just one game, that's over the course of the entire season.

I mean, if you just dislike Arsenal, I get it. But if you are going to decry the "game management" aspect, then at least be consistent with condemnation with the worst offenders.

The worst offenders are usually the team that’s winning!

I was amused yesterday how quickly the Newcastle players came off when they were subbed.( they don’t usually run off)
But the Arsenal players took their time.

All clubs do this and complaining is just silly.
Timekeeper is the only answer imo.

 

[clubchamp98]

Listening to a guy at the side of me last week at the West Ham game. Fabianski was taking an age taking goal kicks when it was 0-0. It was obvious. The fans were going mad to get him booked. One of the City’s fans gripes was the week before City beat Fulham 2-1, City slowed the game down so much that Ederson got booked after a few slow goal kicks. City fans went mad, they see it week after week and no bookings then Ederson gets booked, but it’s not his first. Some teams do it from the first minute, others like City and Newcastle yesterday do it at different times. Maybe it was a coincidence that when City went one up, Fabianski never took his time. Again there is no consistency to booking keepers when time wasting.

There is a bit of consistency! It’s usually in the 85 minute.!

 

[GreiginFife]

The worst offenders are usually the team that’s winning!

I was amused yesterday how quickly the Newcastle players came off when they were subbed.( they don’t usually run off)
But the Arsenal players took their time.

All clubs do this and complaining is just silly.
Timekeeper is the only answer imo.

It’s not something that fusses me either way. Only looking at the data and reporting the facts.

To “hate” a club for an offence that they aren’t even in the top 5 for but not admonish the true offenders is just a bit odd and speaks to a deeper seated bias IMO.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Hmm, methinks you may have an Arsenal Aversion Bias. Newcastle are, statistically, the slowest (or up there) in aspects like, % of ball in play, time taken to restart at gaol kicks, free kicks etc... And that's not just one game, that's over the course of the entire season.

I mean, if you just dislike Arsenal, I get it. But if you are going to decry the "game management" aspect, then at least be consistent with condemnation with the worst offenders.

Not at all. I was commenting on one match as that was the match I was watching. I've called out other teams this season, especially for cheating and diving, and have also complained that commentators won't call it cheating and use phrases like "game management" or "showing his experience". Arsenal were shocking yesterday, but that doesn't mean that Newcastle or any other team haven't been shocking in other games. The two things aren't mutually exclusive.

Having said that, Arsenal are now second in my list of most disliked Premier League teams, just behind Liverpool.

 

[Tashyboy]

Eddie Howe talking about how Arsenal slowed the game down on Sky . As has been said all teams do it and it’s a new learning curve for Newcastle. Which Is showing that Newcastle take the longest to take a goal kick in the prem league at 36.8 seconds

 

[Tashyboy]

Serious question re De Gea.

Was he a scapegoat for yesterdays loss.Yes he dropped one but which goalie hasn’t inc Ederson, Becker etc etc. But at the moment he leads the race for the golden glove with 15 clean sheets. And that’s playing behind some right donkeys.

Thoughts everyone.

 

[AmandaJR]

Eddie Howe talking about how Arsenal slowed the game down on Sky . As has been said all teams do it and it’s a new learning curve for Newcastle. Which Is showing that Newcastle take the longest to take a goal kick in the prem league at 36.8 seconds

Relatively significantly longer than second place in that table too!

Yesterday had everything I love and hate about football. Some exciting moments but so much cheating it was hard to watch and I turned over in the end. Ramsdale was time wasting from early on which seemed a strange decision to make. I can understand (not condone) trying to use every method to run the clock down in the final minutes if you're hanging on for a point or three but from the first goalkick - why?!

 

[Billysboots]

Serious question re De Gea.

Was he a scapegoat for yesterdays loss.Yes he dropped one but which goalie hasn’t inc Ederson, Becker etc etc. But at the moment he leads the race for the golden glove with 15 clean sheets. And that’s playing behind some right donkeys.

Thoughts everyone.

When Varane, Martinez and Casemiro were playing as a unit in front of him, Tash, I’m not sure the term “right donkeys” is necessarily fair!!

My gripe with him would be that it’s not the mistakes as such, more the nature of them. That’s not the first time he has let a really tame shot squirm through his grasp, and whilst we can all perhaps forgive keepers one mistake like that, any more must have us asking questions, regardless of the number of times he has bailed us out over the years.

As I said yesterday, his reactions are still absolutely world class. His distribution is woeful and he always has the sort of mistake we saw yesterday in his locker. It’s not ability, it’s a question of concentration allied to confidence.

He’s been a wonderful servant at United for a decade, but as I have said here more than once, I’ll be very surprised if we see him as the club’s number one next season.

 

[clubchamp98]

Relatively significantly longer than second place in that table too!

Yesterday had everything I love and hate about football. Some exciting moments but so much cheating it was hard to watch and I turned over in the end. Ramsdale was time wasting from early on which seemed a strange decision to make. I can understand (not condone) trying to use every method to run the clock down in the final minutes if you're hanging on for a point or three but from the first goalkick - why?!

Think it’s just like pro golfers, they just seem to get slower and slower.
Ramsdale seems to have a pre goal kick routine

But he’s not alone.
Catch ball, fall on the ground until all players are out of the box then prepare to just roll it 10 yds.
is the time limit for keepers still a rule ( was it 8 seconds) if so the ref is at fault as well.

 

[AmandaJR]

Think it’s just like pro golfers, they just seem to get slower and slower.
Ramsdale seems to have a pre goal kick routine

But he’s not alone.
Catch ball, fall on the ground until all players are out of the box then prepare to just roll it 10 yds.
is the time limit for keepers still a rule ( was it 8 seconds) if so the ref is at fault as well.

Just thinking about it and realised that it was an attempt to take the sting out of Newcastle who were pouring forward with the fans super loud. Slow, slow, slow and take a breath and hope it all calms down a bit. Blatant cheating. Thing is they really don't have any shame. Kick the ball out yet still demand a throw in...it seems instinctive for some of them!

 

[Swango1980]

Serious question re De Gea.

Was he a scapegoat for yesterdays loss.Yes he dropped one but which goalie hasn’t inc Ederson, Becker etc etc. But at the moment he leads the race for the golden glove with 15 clean sheets. And that’s playing behind some right donkeys.

Thoughts everyone.

I think Billy said it all.

DeGea had Varane and Martinez in front of him, with Casemiro in front of them. That, coupled with a long run of good form from Rashford, meant Utd were pretty solid for quite a while. We had other good impact players, like Garnacho and Eriksen doing well, that I think opponents were more cautious against us.

Now we have defenders in front of De Gea who are average on the ball (particularly Lindelof and Maguire), which doesn't help when De Gea is rubbish with the ball. Lost count in how many short passes he has given directly to opponents, or put team mates under mega pressure. Shots going straight through him are just icing on the cake. I can't imagine he is a keeper who inspires confidence, and the other players are probably more on edge than they need to be.

That being said, plenty of poor performances throughout the side recently. But, given there were many games in last few seasons we failed to create a chance at all, I guess progress has still been made.

 

[clubchamp98]

I think Billy said it all.

DeGea had Varane and Martinez in front of him, with Casemiro in front of them. That, coupled with a long run of good form from Rashford, meant Utd were pretty solid for quite a while. We had other good impact players, like Garnacho and Eriksen doing well, that I think opponents were more cautious against us.

Now we have defenders in front of De Gea who are average on the ball (particularly Lindelof and Maguire), which doesn't help when De Gea is rubbish with the ball. Lost count in how many short passes he has given directly to opponents, or put team mates under mega pressure. Shots going straight through him are just icing on the cake. I can't imagine he is a keeper who inspires confidence, and the other players are probably more on edge than they need to be.

That being said, plenty of poor performances throughout the side recently. But, given there were many games in last few seasons we failed to create a chance at all, I guess progress has still been made.

Isn’t that down to the manager then to tell them to stop playing out from the back Until your first choice players are back.
you need a new Fellani to play long to and pick the second balls up.

to many teams playing out from the back who just don’t have the players to do it.
so many goals in the PL now caused by trying this plan, great when it works but when it doesn't it’s penal.

 

[Norrin Radd]

There's only two teams that can play from the back with any real confidence and that's citeh and Brighton. The rest aren't even clot to how those two teams can do it .

 

[Deleted member 15344]

There's only two teams that can play from the back with any real confidence and that's citeh and Brighton. The rest aren't even clot to how those two teams can do it .

Just two teams are you sure ?


Liverpool and Arsenal are just as comfortable

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Just two teams are you sure ?


Liverpool and Arsenal are just as comfortable

I don't watch Liverpool enough to know but you can certainly press arsenal enough to cause them issues. More so than Brighton and City. They may stick to playing out but it doesn't mean they are comfortable with it.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Thank you Fulham by the way

 

[Slime]

Serious question re De Gea.

Was he a scapegoat for yesterdays loss.Yes he dropped one but which goalie hasn’t inc Ederson, Becker etc etc. But at the moment he leads the race for the golden glove with 15 clean sheets. And that’s playing behind some right donkeys.

Thoughts everyone.

As I've said before, De Gea saves Utd far more points than he costs us with some astonishing saves.
Utd's loss was more down to not having a lethal striker, or any striker, than it was to De Gea.