The First Year of WHS - Positives and Negatives

[Deleted member 30522]

Having had conversations at the club there are many that see submitting a card every time they play is the 'correct' thing to do. It just one of the areas where our WHS differs from another countries WHS.

Scotland isn't different from England, he's referring to WHS v CONGU.

 

[jim8flog]

Scotland isn't different from England, he's referring to WHS v CONGU.

I did not say Scotland I was referring to the world in general.

 

[rulefan]

Are the clause numbers in post s #97 and #98 CONGU or WHS?

CONGU manual. I was responding to posts that suggested CONGU stated something it didn't. I was pointing out just what CONGU did say.

 

[rulefan]

There certainly are folk keying in scores without signifying intention. I've asked in several pro shops about this and got a shrug!

Where are they keying in the scores? The first step in the apps is the intent to return a score. That intention is recorded in the system. Players don't need to inform the pro (if that is what the clubs did under CONGU).

 

[rulefan]

Apology accepted

It was you who got it wrong on two counts. The book never said
(1)you had to inform your H'cap sec under CONGU,
and
(2) it was not there in writing,"

 

[Deleted member 30522]

I did not say Scotland I was referring to the world in general.

GP scores are a part of WHS, we're all meant to put in GP scores at every opportunity, your experience of people knowing and entering many GP scores, varies greatly from my experience in the NE, that's not happening at all.

 

[Deleted member 30522]

Not so.
21.6 A player intending to return a Supplementary Score is required to signify his intention prior to commencement of play in the manner determined by the Affiliated Club.



As is the whole of WHS. Which was the intention of course.

Potayto, potahto. It was there in writing that *someone* needed to be informed.

You then *agreed* that it was a change in WHS. Jeez man.

 

[Swango1980]

Potayto, potahto. It was there in writing that *someone* needed to be informed.

You then *agreed* that it was a change in WHS. Jeez man.

You said: "No it isn't, you had to inform your H'cap sec under CONGU"

I believe Rulefan was simply stating that this is not the case. "in the manner determined by the Affiliated Club" does not translate as you had to inform your handicap secretary. Some clubs may have put that condition down, others may have had a log book, others may have asked players to register via howdidido (i.e. register in a similar way most of us do now). No one, therefore, actually needed to be informed about your pre-registration. A record would hopefully exist, however, so if anyone checks at a later date then they can check whether pre-registration occurred.

 

[Deleted member 30522]

You said: "No it isn't, you had to inform your H'cap sec under CONGU"

I believe Rulefan was simply stating that this is not the case. "in the manner determined by the Affiliated Club" does not translate as you had to inform your handicap secretary. Some clubs may have put that condition down, others may have had a log book, others may have asked players to register via howdidido (i.e. register in a similar way most of us do now). No one, therefore, actually needed to be informed about your pre-registration. A record would hopefully exist, however, so if anyone checks at a later date then they can check whether pre-registration occurred.

Point being, there was an effort involved in it, which is not a requirement of WHS

 

[Voyager EMH]

1.Of course, but you said for individual strokeplay, strokeplay is medal play

2. If you'd stopped at Stableford, then yes, but you then made it look like you were discussing strokeplay, while yes s/ford is a form of strokeplay, I don't think it's a stretch for anyone to mistake what you meant here.

1. Individual stableford is also strokeplay.

2. I don't understand what point you are making here.
I know that people are playing roll-ups, individual stableford, and scoring points according to their course handicap instead of doing the correct thing which is to score points according to their playing handicaps for individual strokeplay. They are wrong to do this, they don't understand why they are wrong and I see it a a negative consequence of the introduction of WHS.
I believe my original post made this very clear and you read something into my statement that was not there.

 

[jim8flog]

we're all meant to put in GP scores at every opportunity,

There was no mention of that in the WHS briefing I attended just an emphasis on players getting to 20 scores in their record ASAP.

On a personal note I would not want to put in scores at every opportunity, I do not take my 'general play' that seriously and often treat them as rounds where I am trying/working things out.

 

[4LEX]

It's worked out well for me. I've had a really poor season yet my handicap has been cut on the basis of a couple of decent rounds on tough courses off the tips.

 

[rulefan]

Point being, there was an effort involved in it, which is not a requirement of WHS

So what do you reckon this means?

2.1a(iii) Registering Intent to Submit a Score in General Play. A player is required to pre-register their intent to submit an acceptable score in general play for handicap purposes. Such pre-registration must be made: l Before the player starts the round,

 

[JonnyGutteridge]

I haven't actually put a supplementary score in, I doubt I ever will. Just me in that boat?

When I play a social round at my home club, everyone is just happy to be not playing a medal. Better ball matchplay is everyone's preferred game, gimmies and ready golf, lots of piss taking, never have I shot a competitive score.
When I play with my mates (away from my home club) it can be stressful enough with everyone getting competitive, or getting frustrated by their own game. Imagine that amplified if we were all holding scorecards to be handed in!! It'd be thoroughly miserable.

If I did put supplementary home and away scores in, my handicap would increase from 3.8 to 8 or 9 I would say. I would clean up every single comp.

And that's exactly why no more than X supplementary cards should count towards your best 8. In fact, i'd almost say supplementary scores should not be a part of the system at all.

 

[IanM]

I haven't put a single supplementary in either. We have comps EVERY Saturday so plenty if scope for getting scores in.

Every other round we play is in the sort of format you say above. Up the rebels!

No doubt fun golf will be banned soon!

 

[jim8flog]

GP scores are a part of WHS, we're all meant to put in GP scores at every opportunity, your experience of people knowing and entering many GP scores, varies greatly from my experience in the NE, that's not happening at all.

One of the things I would add is that the Captain and I made sure that all members could not say "nobody told me that". We set up a dedicated section our website, drip feeding bit by bit briefings long before the WHS came in and similarly we set to two notice board areas within the clubhouse and followed England Golf's briefing schedule and notices to do the same.

The only excuse that members have for not knowing how it works is because they could not be bothered to read the notices and believe me I know there are a few in that situation judging by the questions I continue to get asked.

 

[badgergm]

Is it than really an issue though, or just an irritation to a tiny minority at the fact that the calculation is published?
Which might be poor communication, but no evidence that it is a weakness of tge whs functioning itself.

Was CSS really effective though in its application. 'Tough' conditions which might have raised it in the past, were surely inequitable. The effect on the score of a scratchman, who plays with more control, can adjust his ball flight, and whose better shot level anyway is less vulnerable to its influence, and so it might cost him a shot or two. The high hc guys hooks, slices, and skys, balloon his score by 10 shots as he cannot adapt his play to the same degree. So it had quite a distorting effect, which was not sloped.
Just because we saw it applied more in the past, doesnt mean its a failing of whs that we now dont. It could be quite a good improvement in fact.

if The stats back it up, then apply some sort of factor. It isn’t an excuse to make it nigh on impossible to be greater than 0.
Im not sure about it anyway - I play off 5ish and I’m sure a 20-25 mph wind in bouncy conditions like this summer affects my ability to hit greens and make pars a lot more than a few of the older 16 hcap guys that I play with who barely get the ball off the ground.

 

[rulefan]

if The stats back it up, then apply some sort of factor. It isn’t an excuse to make it nigh on impossible to be greater than 0.
Im not sure about it anyway - I play off 5ish and I’m sure a 20-25 mph wind in bouncy conditions like this summer affects my ability to hit greens and make pars a lot more than a few of the older 16 hcap guys that I play with who barely get the ball off the ground.

Does it affect the scratch player and the 54 handicapper equally?

 

[Backache]

One of the things I would add is that the Captain and I made sure that all members could not say "nobody told me that". We set up a dedicated section our website, drip feeding bit by bit briefings long before the WHS came in and similarly we set to two notice board areas within the clubhouse and followed England Golf's briefing schedule and notices to do the same.

The only excuse that members have for not knowing how it works is because they could not be bothered to read the notices and believe me I know there are a few in that situation judging by the questions I continue to get asked.

Lets be fair to your members ,doubtless you did your best to inform them but for many there was an awful lot of other things going on when WHS was introduced and garnering an understanding was probably low on their list of priorities. For much of the time golfing was only sporadic so the concepts were abstract rather than currently useful so the information less easily retained. And whereas noticeboards may be an excellent place to convey information about preferred lies being in use. They are not really a realistic place to read and digest the complexeities of a new handicapping system for most.

 

[Captainron]

I love it. Works easily and quickly. Just wish it was integrated with the other unions so you didn’t have to send off cards when playing up in Scotland.