The Cricket Thread

[Captainron]

Listen to the Stick to Cricket padcast/youtube and all the guys there say he just needs to go back and play some cricket for his county.

He has been a disappointment in any england shirt thus far in his career. He is undoubtedly a talent but he hasn't put his best foot forward for his country.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

T20 Blast QFs

About 4 weeks too late because of the Hundred - hopefully the rain doesn’t ruin them

 

[Arthur Wedge]

That’s an impressive knock from Bopara

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Always good to see the Man City of cricket get knocked out

 

[The Squirrel]

Always good to see the Man City of cricket get knocked out

Bopara was immense. Think Northants have a great chance; their bowling attack is ideal for the typical finals day wicket.

 

[Neilds]

Getting 10 overs out of the part time bowlers might be expensive for England today.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Looking like another slapping

Rashid and Mahmood the only two stand outs really

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Root and Duckett trying to get a partnership but a long way behind required rate

Edit - oops

 

[Captainron]

Bethel has a great opportunity to bat here. Bat long and show folk that he has the talent and temperament to do it

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Bethel has a great opportunity to bat here. Bat long and show folk that he has the talent and temperament to do it

He is certainly counter attacking at the moment and taking it to the spinners

 

[RichA]

Bethel has a great opportunity to bat here. Bat long and show folk that he has the talent and temperament to do it

I hope so. The stick he's had from some quarters is irritating.
He's 21 years old and his batting averages before this match in test, ODI and T20 are 38, 37 and 40.
It's beyond me why some people are writing him off as overrated when he's clearly a massive talent.

 

[Neilds]

I hope so. The stick he's had from some quarters is irritating.
He's 21 years old and his batting averages before this match in test, ODI and T20 are 38, 37 and 40.
It's beyond me why some people are writing him off as overrated when he's clearly a massive talent.

He has only played a handful of each type and 1 big score skews the 10 failures

 

[RichA]

He has only played a handful of each type and 1 big score skews the 10 failures

Big scores skew the failures. Literally how batting averages work.

A more extreme example of big scores skewing the average to cover up failures is Jos Buttler, but he's rarely been considered for the chop in his 192 ODIs.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Big scores skew the failures. Literally how batting averages work.

A more extreme example of big scores skewing the average to cover up failures is Jos Buttler, but he's rarely been considered for the chop in his 192 ODIs.

Bethells Test career is just 4 tests so I not much to look at there

ODI - 12 ODis and 3 50’s so far
T20 - 13 and 2 50’s so far

Tonight was a very good counter attacking innings and some clean hitting but so far he hasn’t done it consistently or gone on to make big scores

He does need more time out in the middle but I don’t think we will get enough from him to justify his pick

 

[RichA]

He's 21.
His job is to cart world class bowling around the ground once every 3 or 4 matches. He isn't going to learn to do that consistently playing county cricket. He has to learn it playing for England.
Most cricketers are not capable of doing that. He quite clearly is and I hope they keep faith in him.

 

[Neilds]

He's 21.
His job is to cart world class bowling around the ground once every 3 or 4 matches. He isn't going to learn to do that consistently playing county cricket. He has to learn it playing for England.
Most cricketers are not capable of doing that. He quite clearly is and I hope they keep faith in him.

His job is to assess the situation and play accordingly. He is too young/inexperienced/bad (delete as applicable) to be able to do this and just tries to belt everything out of the ground. He is the equivalent of a bad golfer trying to hit driver every hole and clear every hazard in one go.

 

[The Squirrel]

He is going to d

His job is to assess the situation and play accordingly. He is too young/inexperienced/bad (delete as applicable) to be able to do this and just tries to belt everything out of the ground. He is the equivalent of a bad golfer trying to hit driver every hole and clear every hazard in one go.

It was definitely a huge mistake that he hasn’t played as much cricket as he should have - he should be playing every domestic match available. It also shows a massive weakness in the English calendar: 50 over cricket does require control rather than just belting; there are phases where you need to milk the bowling for 5/over without losing wickets. If you’re picked for the stupid 16.2 competition then when exactly are you going to learn how to pace a 50 over innings…? [similarly as a bowler you have to bowl strings of dot balls or you are losing - very different to 20 over where 6 singles off you is a good over - see Baker last match]. He will literally never play 50 over outside of international cricket. Until that issue is resolved, England will struggle worse and worse in 50 overs as older players retire and new players come through who never learned to play the format.

 

[RichA]

His job is to assess the situation and play accordingly. He is too young/inexperienced/bad (delete as applicable) to be able to do this and just tries to belt everything out of the ground. He is the equivalent of a bad golfer trying to hit driver every hole and clear every hazard in one go.

You're stuck in the past. Going in at number 4 with only 2 recognised batters behind you and needing 7 or 8 runs per over, you have no choice but to be looking for a 4 or 6 in every over and to be going for every ball that's hittable, even if it's a good one. That's the nature of modern limited overs cricket.

 

[Neilds]

You're stuck in the past. Going in at number 4 with only 2 recognised batters behind you and needing 7 or 8 runs per over, you have no choice but to be looking for a 4 or 6 in every over and to be going for every ball that's hittable, even if it's a good one. That's the nature of modern limited overs cricket.

You manage to contradict yourself in 1 sentence! I agree you need to look for a boundary every over but this does not mean going after every ball.

 

[RichA]

You manage to contradict yourself in 1 sentence! I agree you need to look for a boundary every over but this does not mean going after every ball.

Not to anyone who plays cricket. Going after a boundary and getting one are not the same thing. Fielders are better than they were 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago.
You might have to properly go after 3 balls per over to get one boundary.
It's not village cricket with 50 metre boundaries and arthritic, butter-fingered fielders; these guys are playing to 80 metre boundaries against elite sportspeople.