The all things EV chat thread

[bobmac]

I think the Nissan Leaf has a 5 star NCAP rating and there's a few of them

 

[PhilTheFragger]

If lecky cars are like mobile phones, we're only just at the point they'd fit in your pocket. No cameras or apps yet either!

I'll wait till the equivalent evolution of an iPhone 6 arrives.

I deliver cars to journalists to review, and I was talking to a well known motoring journo a few weeks ago about this very subject.

He sees this as a chance to totally re invent the wheel, but as yet, everyone is playing safe and just replacing the engine/ drive mechanisms,

There is so much scope to do something really different, but nobody seems willing to make that first step in design change.

 

[PJ87]

I deliver cars to journalists to review, and I was talking to a well known motoring journo a few weeks ago about this very subject.

He sees this as a chance to totally re invent the wheel, but as yet, everyone is playing safe and just replacing the engine/ drive mechanisms,

There is so much scope to do something really different, but nobody seems willing to make that first step in design change.

I was hoping for a change of economy direction post covid to grow the green Revolution

More hybrid working, reducing cars on roads and reducing peak transport to manageable levels

Get hubs for offices to work remotely darted around locations in UK.. so people could live local to "the office"

We had a real chance to really rebound and relaunch the way we do things to make us greener

Evs have their part, but like car clubs.. long distance train travel ..

Alas the way things have been scaled back I think we are further from net zero than we could have been

 

[Deleted member 29109]

I was hoping for a change of economy direction post covid to grow the green Revolution

More hybrid working, reducing cars on roads and reducing peak transport to manageable levels

Get hubs for offices to work remotely darted around locations in UK.. so people could live local to "the office"

We had a real chance to really rebound and relaunch the way we do things to make us greener

Evs have their part, but like car clubs.. long distance train travel ..

Alas the way things have been scaled back I think we are further from net zero than we could have been

Too many people scared of change for that to happen. There was an opportunity for a positive change but we’ll trudge back in to doing things the way we’ve always done them.

 

[drdel]

I deliver cars to journalists to review, and I was talking to a well known motoring journo a few weeks ago about this very subject.

He sees this as a chance to totally re invent the wheel, but as yet, everyone is playing safe and just replacing the engine/ drive mechanisms,

There is so much scope to do something really different, but nobody seems willing to make that first step in design change.

Too much capital locked up in the world's Automotive sector. Look at the various studies at Leeds, London, Cranfield, Warwick and Westminster Unies' Transportation units from the 1970s onwards and see the many mass transport initiatives for towns and cities.

We're riding a super tanker which will take a major shock to manufacturing and investment structures to change course.

 

[cliveb]

I think the Nissan Leaf has a 5 star NCAP rating and there's a few of them

May no longer be the case.
Back when it was first introduced, the Renault Zoe got 5 stars. It's only since NCAP changed their tests that it's dropped to 0.
I frankly can't understand how the tests could have changed so much. Are they still genuinely testing realistic safety features, or have they run out of meaningful things to check and just added loads of questionable stuff to justify their existence?

 

[Bunkermagnet]

I was hoping for a change of economy direction post covid to grow the green Revolution

More hybrid working, reducing cars on roads and reducing peak transport to manageable levels

Get hubs for offices to work remotely darted around locations in UK.. so people could live local to "the office"

We had a real chance to really rebound and relaunch the way we do things to make us greener

Evs have their part, but like car clubs.. long distance train travel ..

Alas the way things have been scaled back I think we are further from net zero than we could have been

As someone who has the pleasure of the daily drive into central London and drive home again, it might surprise you that the busiest times on the road now are from around 2:30 till 6pm, and it's kids transportation traffic thats creating the congestion over what there used to be. This has been the case since the work from home directive came into force, and no better when the kids weren't at school when it really was bad.

 

[larmen]

May no longer be the case.
Back when it was first introduced, the Renault Zoe got 5 stars. It's only since NCAP changed their tests that it's dropped to 0.
I frankly can't understand how the tests could have changed so much. Are they still genuinely testing realistic safety features, or have they run out of meaningful things to check and just added loads of questionable stuff to justify their existence?

Maybe they are grading on a scale. Everything is getting better, but then you have to make the older ones worse

 

[cliveb]

Maybe they are grading on a scale. Everything is getting better, but then you have to make the older ones worse

Well yes, of course. But there's something not quite right when the scale changes so much that a Zoe is now classified as no safer than, say, a Model T Ford.

 

[bobmac]

And what's ridiculous about 20 year engine life? Most diesels you're looking nearer half a million than 200k.

The battery pack is not the engine, it's where the energy is stored to run the motor and some say the newer batteries will outlast the car.
''Under current estimates, most electric car batteries will last somewhere between 10-20 years before they need to be replaced.''
https://blog.evbox.com/uk-en/ev-bat... most electric,lose charge capacity over time.

 

[bobmac]

May no longer be the case.

Both models 2012 and 2018 got 5 stars



https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings...AssistanceTechnologies=&thirdRowFitment=false

 

[bobmac]

The battery pack is not the engine, it's where the energy is stored to run the motor and some say the newer batteries will outlast the car.
''Under current estimates, most electric car batteries will last somewhere between 10-20 years before they need to be replaced.''
https://blog.evbox.com/uk-en/ev-battery-longevity#:~:text=Under current estimates, most electric,lose charge capacity over time.

Not forgetting, you can re-use the electricity in the batteries, I don't think you can do that with petrol or diesel

 

[cliveb]

Both models 2012 and 2018 got 5 stars

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Good to see. I was only speculating based on the Zoe's change. Presumably Nissan have updated the Leaf more actively than Renault have the Zoe.
(BTW, when I test drove a Leaf I hated the interior - far too jazzed up, like being in a video game. The Zoe felt comfortable, like a "normal" car)

 

[PJ87]

Good to see. I was only speculating based on the Zoe's change. Presumably Nissan have updated the Leaf more actively than Renault have the Zoe.
(BTW, when I test drove a Leaf I hated the interior - far too jazzed up, like being in a video game. The Zoe felt comfortable, like a "normal" car)

The Corsa feels inside like a normal car, as does the mokka I believe

Zoe is suppose to be brilliant, leaf I was impressed with however the leaf is built from the ground up to be an electric car .. the Corsa for example is just same as their petrol .. even the charge spot is where the petrol would be. Leaf is on the front for example

What would be great is one at the back and one at front . Just for ease of use ... Under the badge like the VW golf was

 

[bobmac]

Good to see. I was only speculating based on the Zoe's change. Presumably Nissan have updated the Leaf more actively than Renault have the Zoe.
(BTW, when I test drove a Leaf I hated the interior - far too jazzed up, like being in a video game. The Zoe felt comfortable, like a "normal" car)

I'm the opposite, not a big fan of the Zoe interior

 

[Fade and Die]

Had an email from my lease company telling me my current lease ends in 8 months. So I need to start thinking about our next car.
This one I had on a personal lease as the BIK was ridiculous. However it looks like a full electric car has BIK rate of 1% raising to 2% in 2023. So a company car it is then! Budget around £400 per month.

Driving habits are in the main short journeys around the SE which all EVs are suited for but 2/3 times a year we go to Cumbria…Early enquiries has me split between a long range job like the e-Niro or Kia EV6 which I can load up with the 4 of us + dog + roof box and do the longer drives in stages. It’s a hassle but it’s only a few times a year. Or go for something a bit more interesting looking like the ID3 or maybe the Cupra Born, and rent a wagon for trips up north. (Mind you a 2 week rental of a XC90 is over £1k!)

I’ll be doing lots of reading of reviews etc maybe a few visits to the dealers too before deciding.?

 

[bobmac]

The Corsa feels inside like a normal car, as does the mokka I believe

Zoe is suppose to be brilliant, leaf I was impressed with however the leaf is built from the ground up to be an electric car .. the Corsa for example is just same as their petrol .. even the charge spot is where the petrol would be. Leaf is on the front for example

What would be great is one at the back and one at front . Just for ease of use ... Under the badge like the VW golf was

Let's face it, the design of most new cars these days is pretty rubbish and probably done with crayons, but each to their own.

 

[cliveb]

Or go for something a bit more interesting looking like the ID3 or maybe the Cupra Born, and rent a wagon for trips up north. (Mind you a 2 week rental of a XC90 is over £1k!)

Take the train and rent a cheap runaround while up there?

 

[Deleted member 23270]

Not forgetting, you can re-use the electricity in the batteries, I don't think you can do that with petrol or diesel

What do you currently drive?

 

[bobmac]

I've got a Skoda Octavia diesel but saving hard for possibly a 2018/9 Nissan Leaf