The all things EV chat thread

[PhilTheFragger]

Driving an ID4 tomorrow to Central London
Just driven it home from The Office, seems very nice indeed

300+ mile range

 

[Mandofred]

Driving an ID4 tomorrow to Central London
Just driven it home from The Office, seems very nice indeed

300+ mile range

Just took a quick look online. £37,000ish?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Driving an ID4 tomorrow to Central London
Just driven it home from The Office, seems very nice indeed

300+ mile range

Is that official figures or in reality?

 

[bobmac]

Is that official figures or in reality?

Reality is nearer 250

 

[PhilTheFragger]

I’ll tell you tomorrow
83% charged showing 304 miles range

50 mile journey so hope the delivery range will be around 250

I’ll report back ?

 

[bobmac]

Is that actually in production or is it the classic artists impression that never actually makes it to the consumer?

I can't quite make out if it is very smart or very distracting. The boy in me likes it.

Looks like the real deal.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/15/...-J4YmzwROj03ZN8DyCtWm5feux4ZsAL0jGBgMuB2SR0qw

 

[PhilTheFragger]

I’ll tell you tomorrow
83% charged showing 304 miles range

50 mile journey so hope the delivery range will be around 250

I’ll report back ?

Delivered with 247 miles left
The last 10 miles only used 3 miles of charge, obviously urban stop start is good for recharging ?

Nice car, V impressed

 

[GreiginFife]

Looks like the real deal.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/15/...-J4YmzwROj03ZN8DyCtWm5feux4ZsAL0jGBgMuB2SR0qw

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Rumour has it (speaking to a Merc sales bod at the weekend whilst HID was buying her new car) is that the base EQS could start at £115,000. That is eyewatering for any car regardless of EV or ICE.

This is the issue that EVs face. For a decent sized car (not a micro like a Leaf or a Note or ID3) the cost is prohibitive to many. When coupled with the continuing poor infrastructure outside of cities, it doesn't make them viable.

Evangelists will respond with "ah but it's getting better". So is the weather, but it's not quite summer yet, so I won't be buying up much sun tan lotion for now.

EVs are like 5G for me. Great idea, great principles, but until coverage is more balances for all... older tech (in this case ICEs) will be the preferred option.

 

[bobmac]

10 years ago there were no electric cars or chargers. Today, there are over 35,000 chargers https://www.zap-map.com/statistics/ In 15 years time, who knows how many.

5 months later there are now over 40,000 chargers

https://www.zap-map.com/statistics/

 

[Bunkermagnet]

5 months later there are now over 40,000 chargers

https://www.zap-map.com/statistics/

I don't doubt the number of charging points has increased, but I go past a garage that has had 7 charging points installed for the rapid charging about 5 months ago, and out of that 7 there, there has always been 2 that are out of commision for one reason or another (you can tell by the red light on and no cars in the space, and not the same ones all the time.) I doubt that many petrol pumps keep going down at any one station.

 

[PJ87]

I don't doubt the number of charging points has increased, but I go past a garage that has had 7 charging points installed for the rapid charging about 5 months ago, and out of that 7 there, there has always been 2 that are out of commision for one reason or another (you can tell by the red light on and no cars in the space, and not the same ones all the time.) I doubt that many petrol pumps keep going down at any one station.

What about when the entire station is closed to refuel for a bit?

You have no idea how long those chargers are out for ... Could be seconds... Hours. Weeks ..

 

[bobmac]

I don't doubt the number of charging points has increased, but I go past a garage that has had 7 charging points installed for the rapid charging about 5 months ago, and out of that 7 there, there has always been 2 that are out of commision for one reason or another (you can tell by the red light on and no cars in the space, and not the same ones all the time.) I doubt that many petrol pumps keep going down at any one station.

Bugger, that means there's only 39,998 left to choose from.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

What about when the entire station is closed to refuel for a bit?

You have no idea how long those chargers are out for ... Could be seconds... Hours. Weeks ..

When a different 2 are out of use every morning since they were insatlled and commisioned, I suppose that doesn't say anything

 

[PJ87]

When a different 2 are out of use every morning since they were insatlled and commisioned, I suppose that doesn't say anything

If it's a diff two each time it points to maintance as you wouldn't get a diff two each morning

I'm sure you have looked about twice and just trying to make a point without actual evidence and research

 

[GreiginFife]

If it's a diff two each time it points to maintance as you wouldn't get a diff two each morning

I'm sure you have looked about twice and just trying to make a point without actual evidence and research

It's whatiffery from both of you. You are making points to the contrary with no evidence that its not a technical fault.

I can't really see many people on here disagreeing that the infrastructure is improving. Its just not fast enough if they want to push an agenda. 5000 additional charge points nationwide in 5 months isn't good enough to support the kind of demand that will be needed.

As I said, it IS getting better, but so is the weather.

I get it, you and Bob are fans, and like most fans won't hear a bad word said about EVs despite the evidence being heavily weighted against mass adoption.

 

[PJ87]

It's whatiffery from both of you. You are making points to the contrary with no evidence that its not a technical fault.

I can't really see many people on here disagreeing that the infrastructure is improving. Its just not fast enough if they want to push an agenda. 5000 additional charge points nationwide in 5 months isn't good enough to support the kind of demand that will be needed.

As I said, it IS getting better, but so is the weather.

I get it, you and Bob are fans, and like most fans won't hear a bad word said about EVs despite the evidence being heavily weighted against mass adoption.

Sorry but bunker comes back with points every few weeks that are just pish

Last time it was sensors failing on cars .. like.ice don't have them

This time is constant chargers out of use .. like a petrol garage is never closed (one on the 406 was closed the entire pandemic)

There is plenty wrong with ev which is being addressed but what need to change the most is people's attuides toward change ..

 

[GreiginFife]

Sorry but bunker comes back with points every few weeks that are just pish

Last time it was sensors failing on cars .. like.ice don't have them

This time is constant chargers out of use .. like a petrol garage is never closed (one on the 406 was closed the entire pandemic)

There is plenty wrong with ev which is being addressed but what need to change the most is people's attuides toward change ..

I agree in part. The main challenge is people's attitudes won't change until real progress is seen outside of cities.

I live fairly rural and we should have 15 points within a 3 mile drive. Of those, 2 are always in use, 4 have never worked (at all) and 4 haven't even actually been installed.

My main concern, and the whole ICE cars have loads of parts argument, is that EVs don't. If my O2 sensor goes, I know what it is and I replace it. If my clutch goes, its just the clutch not the whole engine.
Most EVs that I have seen work on completely sealed single unit motors. If that goes its the whole thing that needs replaced .

It is improving, no one can deny. But the drawbacks and flaws need to be acknowledged on both sides, not just the selected side, in order for the argument to hold water.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Delivered with 247 miles left
The last 10 miles only used 3 miles of charge, obviously urban stop start is good for recharging ?

Nice car, V impressed

I was in a shopping centre today and one was inside. It looked good, Golf sized. Good to see the next size up models coming through.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Sorry but bunker comes back with points every few weeks that are just pish

Last time it was sensors failing on cars .. like.ice don't have them

This time is constant chargers out of use .. like a petrol garage is never closed (one on the 406 was closed the entire pandemic)

There is plenty wrong with ev which is being addressed but what need to change the most is people's attuides toward change ..

I agree it's pish that a group of 7 new charging points at a petrol station can't be kept working, and I assume the red light instead of the green one indicates it cant be used, when a brand new installation.

 

[GreiginFife]

I was in a shopping centre today and one was inside. It looked good, Golf sized. Good to see the next size up models coming through.

From £40110 so will attract the £310 road tax surcharge (vehicles over £40000).