The all things EV chat thread

[bobmac]

Maybe what needs to change is the plenty wrong with ev, and when that happens people's attitude towards them will change.

There's plenty wrong with ICE cars too which will never change.
EV's however are improving all the time.

 

[Blue in Munich]

There's plenty wrong with ICE cars too which will never change.
EV's however are improving all the time.

As are ICE cars.

But ICE cars don't ask more money for less performance which is the biggest issue for some.

 

[bobmac]

We agree on that then, It will take time. As all technology changes do.

Of course I agree. I've never said it would happen overnight.

I get that the RAC can charge. Do you know what the average call out time for the RAC in general is? Also I need to be a member, no? Or are they going to offer this out of the goodness of their corporate soul?

I guess you need to be a member whether you need petrol, diesel or electricity.

Bob, I get it you love EVs and that's great. As I say, I like them too. But in order for technology (of any sort) to be successful, it needs to be fully supported. Not partially, it'll be fine in a few years, supported. This, ultimately is the other "elephant in the room" that the pro-EV lobby won't accept but focus on the other "elephant" that is we need to change.

Yes, I know but you've got over 20 years to adapt, by which time there will be chargers everyhere...at the gym, cinema, curry house, multi-story car park, supermarket, golf club, office block, swimming pool etc etc

 

[bobmac]

As are ICE cars.

But ICE cars don't ask more money for less performance which is the biggest issue for some.

Do you mean mph or mpg?

 

[PJ87]

Maybe what needs to change is the plenty wrong with ev, and when that happens people's attitude towards them will change.

They will change but what if they are never exactly the same

What if the refil is perfected but say it takes 10 mins to add a full tank and a full tank is say 250 miles

People still need to then release right that isn't what we have now of 5 mins for many miles but that's pretty good. Maybe we should adapt

 

[Swinglowandslow]

The energy might be cheaper but the cost of a lot of the cars is prohibitive for a lot of people.

True, but that is not an argument against the principle of wanting to help the planet.
I recognise that pure electric cars are not possible for most at the moment, for a number of valid reasons which cannot be argued against .
However, it is an inconvenient truth which Attenborough promotes that as a species we have to make an effort as best we can to change or cock up this planet.
It isn't really a question for polarising over, we need to get to a solution the best way we can whilst still recognising the hurdles.

 

[PJ87]

Rumour has it (speaking to a Merc sales bod at the weekend whilst HID was buying her new car) is that the base EQS could start at £115,000. That is eyewatering for any car regardless of EV or ICE.

This is the issue that EVs face. For a decent sized car (not a micro like a Leaf or a Note or ID3) the cost is prohibitive to many. When coupled with the continuing poor infrastructure outside of cities, it doesn't make them viable.

Evangelists will respond with "ah but it's getting better". So is the weather, but it's not quite summer yet, so I won't be buying up much sun tan lotion for now.

EVs are like 5G for me. Great idea, great principles, but until coverage is more balances for all... older tech (in this case ICEs) will be the preferred option.

It's a good point about 5g

However do you remember when 4g was new. Cost a lot. Only certain locations had it..had to pay more to get it

Now it's the norm (as in you don't get a phone that's none 4g you just dont get signal) and prices are the same

Tech levels out price wise

By time petrol cars sales are banned cost will have dropped

Just takes one company to drop their price and others will undercut them

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Sorry but bunker comes back with points every few weeks that are just pish

Last time it was sensors failing on cars .. like.ice don't have them

This time is constant chargers out of use .. like a petrol garage is never closed (one on the 406 was closed the entire pandemic)

There is plenty wrong with ev which is being addressed but what need to change the most is people's attuides toward change ..

No what needs to change is the price of the cars and the charging infrastructure for people that don't have off road parking. Once those issues are fixed I'm sure there will be a huge uptake in the EV market.

 

[GreiginFife]

It's a good point about 5g

However do you remember when 4g was new. Cost a lot. Only certain locations had it..had to pay more to get it

Now it's the norm (as in you don't get a phone that's none 4g you just dont get signal) and prices are the same

Tech levels out price wise

By time petrol cars sales are banned cost will have dropped

Just takes one company to drop their price and others will undercut them

I have not disagreed. I have maintained that technology takes time which is my whole point ?.

We are nowhere near ready for the viable answer to this thread to be a definitive yes.

4G was exactly the same yes with the big exception that from no coverage to pretty much blanket coverage (there are still non covered areas) took around 5 years IIRC.

But the question still remains (substitute 5G handset for EV in this analogy);

Would you pay an extra £200 for a 5G handset when there is little to no 5G coverage in your area?

It WILL get better, I have no doubt, but for the answer to "would you buy an electric car?" to become yes for a vast majority the pace needs to increase dramatically.

If you are happy with a small car for short repetitive trips and have the facility to charge at home, great, more power to your elbow.
I personally don't want or need a small car and journeys in my area tend to be longer as its not as urban.

 

[bobmac]

It WILL get better, I have no doubt, but for the answer to "would you buy an electric car?" to become yes for a vast majority the pace needs to increase dramatically.

If you are happy with a small car for short repetitive trips and have the facility to charge at home, great, more power to your elbow.
I personally don't want or need a small car and journeys in my area tend to be longer as its not as urban.

Evs are too expensive Got it
The charging infrastructure isn't there yet. Gotcha
You need more range. Ok
Can't charge at home. Right

 

[bobmac]

The majority (it's roughly 60:40) of UK dwellings have off street parking. But it gets better. Those who don't drive cars are over-represented in the dwellings with no car parking. PWC recently estimated that a stunning 84% of UK drivers have access to off-street parking at home.

https://pod-point.com/electric-car-news/electric-car-no-driveway

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Don't mind either sides decision it's just when people come up with complete drivel (either outdated about ev) or silly reasons it will never work just to avoid the elephant in the room

I think it is you that's ignoring the elephant in the room. You don't seem to accept the issues of cost and access for a very large percentage of the motoring population. I can buy a Nissan Leaf (almost £30k) or a Focus (not much more than £20k?) and if I don't have a driveway I need to find public chargers which are much more expensive than off peak tariff home chargers.
You've made you're point, you're a fan of EVs. Please accept the other side of the argument that the current situation does not suit lots of people.

 

[bobmac]

I think it is you that's ignoring the elephant in the room. You don't seem to accept the issues of cost and access for a very large percentage of the motoring population. I can buy a Nissan Leaf (almost £30k) or a Focus (not much more than £20k?) and if I don't have a driveway I need to find public chargers which are much more expensive than off peak tariff home chargers.
You've made you're point, you're a fan of EVs. Please accept the other side of the argument that the current situation does not suit lots of people.

''You’ll find electric charging bays at Tesco Extra and Tesco Superstore sites throughout the UK, the majority of which are free-to-use 7kW fast chargers. Other 22kW and 50kW rapid chargers are ‘priced in line with market rates’'

https://www.motoringelectric.com/charging/how-find-nearest-tesco-electric-charging-point/

Ecotricity, which provides charging points at all motorway services in the UK, charges about £6 for a 45-minute recharge with a rapid charger. In a Nissan Leaf, this should fill up the battery to 80% of its full range.

https://www.whatcar.com/advice/owning/electric-car-charging-guide/n18056

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

''You’ll find electric charging bays at Tesco Extra and Tesco Superstore sites throughout the UK, the majority of which are free-to-use 7kW fast chargers. Other 22kW and 50kW rapid chargers are ‘priced in line with market rates’'

https://www.motoringelectric.com/charging/how-find-nearest-tesco-electric-charging-point/

Ecotricity, which provides charging points at all motorway services in the UK, charges about £6 for a 45-minute recharge with a rapid charger. In a Nissan Leaf, this should fill up the battery to 80% of its full range.

https://www.whatcar.com/advice/owning/electric-car-charging-guide/n18056

I used to car share with a guy that has a Leaf. Real world range is about 150-160 miles at motorway speeds so 80% of that is about 120-130 miles for £6. Add in the inconvenience of waiting for it to charge and I'd much rather have my own ICE car which will do comfortably over 45mpg on the motorway.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

One good thing about EVs is my Tesla shares are up 23% ?

 

[bobmac]

I used to car share with a guy that has a Leaf. Real world range is about 150-160 miles at motorway speeds so 80% of that is about 120-130 miles for £6. Add in the inconvenience of waiting for it to charge and I'd much rather have my own ICE car which will do comfortably over 45mpg on the motorway.

If you were driving hundreds of miles a day, you wouldn't buy a Nissan Leaf.
You'd wait 3 or 4 years and get a car with a solid state battery.

The Volkswagen Group is increasing its stake in QuantumScape and making an additional investment of up to US$200 million in the US battery specialist.

https://www.volkswagen-newsroom.com...lkswagen-increases-stake-in-quantumscape-6136

 

[PJ87]

I think it is you that's ignoring the elephant in the room. You don't seem to accept the issues of cost and access for a very large percentage of the motoring population. I can buy a Nissan Leaf (almost £30k) or a Focus (not much more than £20k?) and if I don't have a driveway I need to find public chargers which are much more expensive than off peak tariff home chargers.
You've made you're point, you're a fan of EVs. Please accept the other side of the argument that the current situation does not suit lots of people.

Leasing, you can get deals on electric cars

Buisness leasing will get a lot of people over in the tax saving

Yes the price is high but it's coming down.

Have you seen the MG range?

 

[PJ87]

I have not disagreed. I have maintained that technology takes time which is my whole point ?.

We are nowhere near ready for the viable answer to this thread to be a definitive yes.

4G was exactly the same yes with the big exception that from no coverage to pretty much blanket coverage (there are still non covered areas) took around 5 years IIRC.

But the question still remains (substitute 5G handset for EV in this analogy);

Would you pay an extra £200 for a 5G handset when there is little to no 5G coverage in your area?

It WILL get better, I have no doubt, but for the answer to "would you buy an electric car?" to become yes for a vast majority the pace needs to increase dramatically.

If you are happy with a small car for short repetitive trips and have the facility to charge at home, great, more power to your elbow.
I personally don't want or need a small car and journeys in my area tend to be longer as its not as urban.

I think the gov have got it wrong

It should be a pronged attack

Ban diesel cars. Their the worst for fumes

Promote electric cars for those who can

However. Hybrids! Perfect compromise . Can be refueled like a normal car. Especially self charging ones

Good option for most who can't afford electric

Surely would have worked better

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I think the gov have got it wrong

It should be a pronged attack

Ban diesel cars. Their the worst for fumes

Promote electric cars for those who can

However. Hybrids! Perfect compromise . Can be refueled like a normal car. Especially self charging ones

Good option for most who can't afford electric

Surely would have worked better

Are you talking plug in hybrids or self charging? Do self charging really make much difference? I don't see staggering mpg returns for self charging hybrids, I'm not sure they do what they are supposed to.

Plug ins are a better halfway house, I'd agree with you there. I'd happily swap to a plug in. Can't currently afford it, but it wouldn't mean compromises. Govt don't seem fans though

 

[PJ87]

Are you talking plug in hybrids or self charging? Do self charging really make much difference? I don't see staggering mpg returns for self charging hybrids, I'm not sure they do what they are supposed to.

Plug ins are a better halfway house, I'd agree with you there. I'd happily swap to a plug in. Can't currently afford it, but it wouldn't mean compromises. Govt don't seem fans though

Plug in where possible however self charging do work

I had an auris ..

Returned 60mpg compared to 75 claimed most of time

Did make a real difference

Also under 40mph you could go even further on it

Plug in are better .


I'd like a plug in and an electric

Charge off same socket ..

Like I said before once the twins are out of car seats I'll move the alhambra on for full electric or plug in

11 years time tho unfortunately..