The all things EV chat thread

[PJ87]

I thought you were all about making the planet green… think you’re splitting hairs here to justify your narrow point on this. You’re die hard EV, fine, but as with all technology it’ll get surpassed.

BTW, the Kia hydrogen powered car does 900 miles before it needs to refuel, not that anyone will go that far between stops.

Sorry hobbit but no. You need to look at the overall picture .

You also need to provide these graphics rather than just say they outweigh my graphics.

If you post them then a better picture of the bigger picture can be seen.

I'm not even anti hydrogen, or e fuels.

Just they won't be the saviour that people hope.

All 3 are required

 

[hambugerpete]

I thought you were all about making the planet green… think you’re splitting hairs here to justify your narrow point on this. You’re die hard EV, fine, but as with all technology it’ll get surpassed.

BTW, the Kia hydrogen powered car does 900 miles before it needs to refuel, not that anyone will go that far between stops.

What practical use does a 900mile range have, this fixation on range is one of the problems with EV take up. This idea that if you can't drive 300 miles , fill up in 5 mins and then drive another 300 , it's just stupid.

 

[PJ87]

What practical use does a 900mile range have, this fixation on range is one of the problems with EV take up. This idea that if you can't drive 300 miles , fill up in 5 mins and then drive another 300 , it's just stupid.

In Australia I can see it being more useful as it's a lot larger

 

[PNWokingham]

Always the same Pete. People are so stubborn they refuse to adapt. EVs are now affordable and practical but you will still get people refusing as they don't want to have to stop on a 300 mile drive. How dare we all make very small adjustments to our lifestyle to reduce emissions.

I mean wait until the lifestyle changes they face as a consequence of ignorance

This attitude that has been there eall day is beyond arrogant. You have a lot of knowledge on EVs but the way you belittle people who do not toe the line is indicative of a lot of of problems today. Throw the daily mail quotes around all the time like confetti. Very sad. You are better than this, I hope. Most comments are supportive of the journey just not the way it is conducted

 

[cliveb]

What practical use does a 900mile range have, this fixation on range is one of the problems with EV take up. This idea that if you can't drive 300 miles , fill up in 5 mins and then drive another 300 , it's just stupid.

When my wife and I have a long journey, we swap over drivers every 2 hours and just carry on. We might take one 15 minute break for a coffee, but that's it. The purpose of the journey is to get to the destination as quickly as possible. If we need to refuel, we want it to be quick. Certainly don't want to be waiting for EV charging. Surely this is a fairly common attitude to long journeys?

(Extreme example: We used to drive to the Alps for skiing holidays. That was typically 13 hours door to door. Adding a few extra hours to charge an EV would be unthinkable. You'd have to add an overnight stop each way and lose 2 days of the holiday)

 

[3 jabber]

This surprised me with the number of stops the EVs had to make for a 1000 mile trip (8 and 10)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ8vKEuuc7U&pp=ygUfd2hhdCBjYXIgcGV0cm9sIHYgZWxlY3RyaWMgdGVzdA==

 

[hambugerpete]

When my wife and I have a long journey, we swap over drivers every 2 hours and just carry on. We might take one 15 minute break for a coffee, but that's it. The purpose of the journey is to get to the destination as quickly as possible. If we need to refuel, we want it to be quick. Certainly don't want to be waiting for EV charging. Surely this is a fairly common attitude to long journeys?

(Extreme example: We used to drive to the Alps for skiing holidays. That was typically 13 hours door to door. Adding a few extra hours to charge an EV would be unthinkable. You'd have to add an overnight stop each way and lose 2 days of the holiday)

I have found on very long journeys that there are rapid chargers I can use. So when you stop for a coffee you can just plug in and get a top up.! I put Swiss Alps in abr and it reckons 1hr 50 mins worth of stops , which on an 800 mile journey is fine by me and seems pretty reasonable.

 

[PJ87]

Dhd

This surprised me with the number of stops the EVs had to make for a 1000 mile trip (8 and 10)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ8vKEuuc7U&pp=ygUfd2hhdCBjYXIgcGV0cm9sIHYgZWxlY3RyaWMgdGVzdA==

Skipped to the end to here the results, goes to show how good the Tesla is compared and makes it simpler

Good points raised about the petrol didn't factor in having to stop to wee, eat, drink and if he had a family with he would stop more

The final result for the Tesla is pretty good for a 1000 mile drive

 

[hambugerpete]

This surprised me with the number of stops the EVs had to make for a 1000 mile trip (8 and 10)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ8vKEuuc7U&pp=ygUfd2hhdCBjYXIgcGV0cm9sIHYgZWxlY3RyaWMgdGVzdA==

Yes useful video because I drive 1000 miles in one go all the time.

 

[PJ87]

I have found on very long journeys that there are rapid chargers I can use. So when you stop for a coffee you can just plug in and get a top up.! I put Swiss Alps in abr and it reckons 1hr 50 mins worth of stops , which on an 800 mile journey is fine by me and seems pretty reasonable.

To be balanced and fair to Clive it sounds like they litterally just swap drivers so even a quick stop for a wee (10 mins) wouldn't be enough and would just add to his journey

 

[cliveb]

To be balanced and fair to Clive it sounds like they litterally just swap drivers so even a quick stop for a wee (10 mins) wouldn't be enough and would just add to his journey

Yes, exactly.

On a trip to the Alps there are of course multiple 5 min stops for a wee. And one 20 min stop to eat our picnic lunch and fill up with petrol.

But driving to the Alps is an extreme case. The basic point I was trying to make is that the time taken to charge an EV makes a long journey even more bothersome. I'd be happy with just a 200 mile range if I knew I could pull into a charging station and add another 200 miles in under 5 mins.

 

[PJ87]

Yes, exactly.

On a trip to the Alps there are of course multiple 5 min stops for a wee. And one 20 min stop to eat our picnic lunch and fill up with petrol.

But driving to the Alps is an extreme case. The basic point I was trying to make is that the time taken to charge an EV makes a long journey even more bothersome. I'd be happy with just a 200 mile range if I knew I could pull into a charging station and add another 200 miles in under 5 mins.

Off the top of my head the nearest you could get ATM is a 300 mile plus range car that you drive 200 miles and then when you top it up on a rapid charger back up for another 200 miles you could do in say 20 mins now

Getting there but doesn't suit all


On a side note. I left work this morning it was 1 degree , the car was preconditioning so no ice and warm.

I had 94% battery when I left. It told me 235 mile range. 250 if I didn't have the heating on (car tells me)

I drove the 25 miles home with the heated steering wheel on, heated seats on and air con set to 22 degree

Got home with 86% battery left which is very efficient, even in the colder temps

Delighted with the efficiency of the Kia

 

[hambugerpete]

Yes, exactly.

On a trip to the Alps there are of course multiple 5 min stops for a wee. And one 20 min stop to eat our picnic lunch and fill up with petrol.

But driving to the Alps is an extreme case. The basic point I was trying to make is that the time taken to charge an EV makes a long journey even more bothersome. I'd be happy with just a 200 mile range if I knew I could pull into a charging station and add another 200 miles in under 5 mins.

Fair enough if thats important to you. I did consider it too when making the move to EV but tbh on a long run I'm always going to stop for a break and I have found it doesn't make much difference. Combined with long drives are the exception as opposed to the norm it's been no bother to move to electric. Next year is my first drive abroad in it and by all accounts the infrastructure is excellent and charging considerably cheaper.

 

[PJ87]

Fair enough if thats important to you. I did consider it too when making the move to EV but tbh on a long run I'm always going to stop for a break and I have found it doesn't make much difference. Combined with long drives are the exception as opposed to the norm it's been no bother to move to electric. Next year is my first drive abroad in it and by all accounts the infrastructure is excellent and charging considerably cheaper.

We are driving from east London to Disneyland Paris in may. Very excited

 

[cliveb]

Fair enough if thats important to you. I did consider it too when making the move to EV but tbh on a long run I'm always going to stop for a break and I have found it doesn't make much difference. Combined with long drives are the exception as opposed to the norm it's been no bother to move to electric. Next year is my first drive abroad in it and by all accounts the infrastructure is excellent and charging considerably cheaper.

My daughter has an MG ZS EV. It's her daily car for short journeys and does a fine job. But when she took it from Hertfordshire to Cornwall for a family holiday about a year ago, it was a pretty fraught journey. Ever since that experience, she uses her old petrol Fabia estate for long journeys. She has no axe to grind either way, and her choice demonstrates that ICE remains the more convenient technology for long trips.

 

[3 jabber]

Yes useful video because I drive 1000 miles in one go all the time.

It is useful because people do long journeys in EVs all the time. I don't understand why the charging apps are telling them to stop so often. Maybe you can tell me as an EV owner?

 

[hambugerpete]

It is useful because people do long journeys in EVs all the time. I don't understand why the charging apps are telling them to stop so often. Maybe you can tell me as an EV owner?

The general idea is that shorter stops maximise the cars ability to fast charge because once you hit around 80% the rate drops off dramatically and it's quicker to make another short stop than trying to get a full battery again.

 

[PJ87]

It is useful because people do long journeys in EVs all the time. I don't understand why the charging apps are telling them to stop so often. Maybe you can tell me as an EV owner?

More stops can be quicker , if you stop sooner the battery has a higher state of charge meaning the return to the 80% mark (above 80% it slows down) is quicker and you are on the way again.

 

[hambugerpete]

My daughter has an MG ZS EV. It's her daily car for short journeys and does a fine job. But when she took it from Hertfordshire to Cornwall for a family holiday about a year ago, it was a pretty fraught journey. Ever since that experience, she uses her old petrol Fabia estate for long journeys. She has no axe to grind either way, and her choice demonstrates that ICE remains the more convenient technology for long trips.

I don't know the issues your daughter had , but I'm booking a family trip to Cornwall for next year and there are now a number of rentals that offer EV charging with many more realising it's a good USP and adding it too.

 

[hambugerpete]

More stops can be quicker , if you stop sooner the battery has a higher state of charge meaning the return to the 80% mark (above 80% it slows down) is quicker and you are on the way again.

Insert Spiderman meme here.