The all things EV chat thread

[PJ87]

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Why do I think you are actually both characters?

 

[PJ87]

Why do I think you are actually both characters?

I'm more of a batman fan

 

[3 jabber]

The general idea is that shorter stops maximise the cars ability to fast charge because once you hit around 80% the rate drops off dramatically and it's quicker to make another short stop than trying to get a full battery again.

Yes I know that, recommendation is run the batteries between 10 and 80% but with the range of the cars in the test that doesn't explain so many stops. I'm not sure EVs are all they are cracked up to be

 

[hambugerpete]

Yes I know that, recommendation is run the batteries between 10 and 80% but with the range of the cars in the test that doesn't explain so many stops. I'm not sure EVs are all they are cracked up to be

What are you expecting? They're just cars with a different fuel type and require a change of mindset to run, but ultimately it's not really any different. I picked my good lady up from the airport yesterday, a 100 mile round trip and in my old car id have made sure I had sufficient petrol , in my new car I make sure I have enough range. On journeys beyond the cars range I just factor in a stop. You can plan this or leave it to the sat nav to calculate.
One big plus is I can preheat and defrost it remotely first.

I should also add that it costs a hell of a lot less to run too. This assumes you can home charge, if not then I'd probably not think about getting one.

 

[3 jabber]

What are you expecting? They're just cars with a different fuel type and require a change of mindset to run, but ultimately it's not really any different. I picked my good lady up from the airport yesterday, a 100 mile round trip and in my old car id have made sure I had sufficient petrol , in my new car I make sure I have enough range. On journeys beyond the cars range I just factor in a stop. You can plan this or leave it to the sat nav to calculate.
One big plus is I can preheat and defrost it remotely first.

I should also add that it costs a hell of a lot less to run too. This assumes you can home charge, if not then I'd probably not think about getting one.

I'll tell you what I expect. I expect a car with a range of 350 miles to be able to do a 1000 mile journey without having to make 8 stops.

 

[hambugerpete]

I'll tell you what I expect. I expect a car with a range of 350 miles to be able to do a 1000 mile journey without having to make 8 stops.

Well the longest drive I have ever made was about 600 miles on a holiday to France. If youre regularly doing 1000 miles in one hit without stopping for a decent break then good luck to you. That's so far removed from the day to day real world it's not really a consideration.
No one's forcing you to go EV, ice cars will be around for a long time yet.

 

[3 jabber]

Well the longest drive I have ever made was about 600 miles on a holiday to France. If youre regularly doing 1000 miles in one hit without stopping for a decent break then good luck to you. That's so far removed from the day to day real world it's not really a consideration.
No one's forcing you to go EV, ice cars will be around for a long time yet.

I don't think anyone does 1000 miles without stopping unless you just swap drivers and keep going. But that still doesn't answer my question.

 

[jim8flog]

Formula 1 techies are developing E-fuels, so carbon neutral, that will be able to go into your every day car on the street.
It's lab created, so no mining or burning.

According to various sources on the net

Formula one cars run on E10 basically the same as a garage forecourt for a road cars.

Indy car has gone a lot more towards an increase in the sugar based fuels (methanol and ethanol) they run on pure meths for some years but have reverted to mix but with more ethanol than F1.

 

[Beezerk]

Still waiting for my Tiguan plug in hybrid to be delivered, latest update is it should be with me by the end of the year

 

[hambugerpete]

I don't think anyone does 1000 miles without stopping unless you just swap drivers and keep going. But that still doesn't answer my question.

What question? The amount of stops ? That was answered, depending on range and distance it may make more sense to make several short stops.

 

[Hobbit]

Sorry hobbit but no. You need to look at the overall picture .

You also need to provide these graphics rather than just say they outweigh my graphics.

If you post them then a better picture of the bigger picture can be seen.

I'm not even anti hydrogen, or e fuels.

Just they won't be the saviour that people hope.

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Hyundai, not Kia. Another green alternative. Below is a copy and paste of the full piece.

Australia’s first hydrogen car comes to market, complete with charging stations in just 5 minutes. The car travels 900 kilometers with the tank full and purifies the air as it moves forward.
For the first time, hydrogen fuel cell technology is being applied serialized in a commercial car and, above all, it allows for such important autonomy, with very reduced charging times.
This is Hyundai Nexo, a small-cylinder car that beats all car manufacturers in the world and sets a sustainability record, with a charge of 6.27 kilograms of hydrogen that purifies 449,100 liters of air during the journey (as much as the consumption of breathing of 33 people for a whole day) and it only emits water down your exhaust pipe.
This car produces no CO2 or other polluting emissions; just think that an equivalent vehicle, with a traditional combustion engine, emits about 126 kg of CO2 at the same distance. The hydrogen engine thus enters the automobile market and intends to join the electric one among the sustainable mobility solutions the world is adopting. Hyundai thus becomes the first automaker in the world to produce a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle for the market.

 

[PJ87]

Hyundai, not Kia. Another green alternative. Below is a copy and paste of the full piece.

Australia’s first hydrogen car comes to market, complete with charging stations in just 5 minutes. The car travels 900 kilometers with the tank full and purifies the air as it moves forward.
For the first time, hydrogen fuel cell technology is being applied serialized in a commercial car and, above all, it allows for such important autonomy, with very reduced charging times.
This is Hyundai Nexo, a small-cylinder car that beats all car manufacturers in the world and sets a sustainability record, with a charge of 6.27 kilograms of hydrogen that purifies 449,100 liters of air during the journey (as much as the consumption of breathing of 33 people for a whole day) and it only emits water down your exhaust pipe.
This car produces no CO2 or other polluting emissions; just think that an equivalent vehicle, with a traditional combustion engine, emits about 126 kg of CO2 at the same distance. The hydrogen engine thus enters the automobile market and intends to join the electric one among the sustainable mobility solutions the world is adopting. Hyundai thus becomes the first automaker in the world to produce a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle for the market.

Thanks hobbit. Same company so same thing

However that says nothing about the co2 compared to an EV , they both are excellent options, however as I said hydrogen cars will need more energy produced to go the same distance, as long as that energy is green it's fine. Co2 is fine (same as EVs)

Both are better than ICE engines and we need both of them to get ourselves off Dino juice

Thanks for clearing up. I was looking for a graphic on the net linked to it for a few hours lAst night

 

[cliveb]

What question? The amount of stops ? That was answered, depending on range and distance it may make more sense to make several short stops.

We know that charging rates drop once you go above 80%.
But why would 2 stops to get from 50% to 80% twice be any quicker than one stop to get from 20% to 80%?

I suspect the reason to make multiple stops is to guard against the possibility that some of the chargers en route might be oversubscribed (or not working). If you arrive at a charger with 50% and there's a queue of cars waiting to use it, you can abandon that and carry on. If instead you plan on using more of your range and arrive at a charger with 10%, you better hope there isn't a long wait before it's free to use. But making more stops does add overall to the journey time - there's the fixed overhead of actually stopping & hooking up each time you stop.

 

[3 jabber]

What question? The amount of stops ? That was answered, depending on range and distance it may make more sense to make several short stops.

It hasn't answered it in my mind. I wouldn't buy a car that wants me to stop every 100 miles or so.

 

[hambugerpete]

It hasn't answered it in my mind. I wouldn't buy a car that wants me to stop every 100 miles or so.

It doesn't and you don't. Longest drive I have done is about 360 miles and I stopped once as I would in any car.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

According to various sources on the net

Formula one cars run on E10 basically the same as a garage forecourt for a road cars.

Indy car has gone a lot more towards an increase in the sugar based fuels (methanol and ethanol) they run on pure meths for some years but have reverted to mix but with more ethanol than F1.

I know they currently use E10, but from 2026 theyhave to use 100 sustainable fuel, and they are developing lab made fuel. It will be here before ICE's sales are banned.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Hyundai, not Kia. Another green alternative. Below is a copy and paste of the full piece.

Australia’s first hydrogen car comes to market, complete with charging stations in just 5 minutes. The car travels 900 kilometers with the tank full and purifies the air as it moves forward.
For the first time, hydrogen fuel cell technology is being applied serialized in a commercial car and, above all, it allows for such important autonomy, with very reduced charging times.
This is Hyundai Nexo, a small-cylinder car that beats all car manufacturers in the world and sets a sustainability record, with a charge of 6.27 kilograms of hydrogen that purifies 449,100 liters of air during the journey (as much as the consumption of breathing of 33 people for a whole day) and it only emits water down your exhaust pipe.
This car produces no CO2 or other polluting emissions; just think that an equivalent vehicle, with a traditional combustion engine, emits about 126 kg of CO2 at the same distance. The hydrogen engine thus enters the automobile market and intends to join the electric one among the sustainable mobility solutions the world is adopting. Hyundai thus becomes the first automaker in the world to produce a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle for the market.

Actually, Toyota have been producing hydrogen fuel cell cars for the market for a while, in the Mirai. One of the uber types, Green Tomato, have been using them in town for a while.
Toyota have been majoring in hydrogen fuel cell development and have only gone on to do pure EV as the infrastructure need for hyrdogen didn't have much traction.
Hyundai ran an IX35 hydrogen fuel cell car for development for a while, but with only 5 hydrogen filling stations int he UK it sort of ran out of legs, as did Honda with an Accord in the States.
It will come eventually as the overall enviromental impact is a lot less and more sustainable than anything else.

 

[harpo_72]

I am still enjoying random charging behaviour. I don’t think it is brand dependent it just seems that no one can just let the owner override and charge when and how they would like .. let’s be honest here, this random charging behaviour reduces confidence that the car will be ready when required.

 

[Robster59]

I'm actually wondering if it's worth charging my plug-in hybrid in this weather. In the summer, I get 29 miles on full electric. In current conditions, I am lucky to be showing 20 miles. Still costs me the same money to charge it but 30% less efficient.