The all things EV chat thread

[Arthur Wedge]

Because..

https://forums.golfmonthly.com/threads/the-all-things-ev-chat-thread.107236/post-2815980

The plant is closing because of the lack of demand for EV Vans but the plant has to produce them - so they close one plant and just leave one open

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Been doing so for years. Still require a lot of power to produce where as an EV is the most efficient way of doing it.

E fuels have a place but they are part of the picture not the end game.

No one said they were the end game. in 2026 F1 will be using totally sustainable fuels. Man made fuel for all ICE will follow, sooner than you want to admit.
Not buying into something that many don't see as the solution or a viable financial option are good enough reasons for many to hold on to, or even buy new, an ICE, especially with the prospect of a carbon neutral man made fuel arriving some time in the not to distant furture.

 

[PJ87]

No one said they were the end game. in 2026 F1 will be using totally sustainable fuels. Man made fuel for all ICE will follow, sooner than you want to admit.
Not buying into something that many don't see as the solution or a viable financial option are good enough reasons for many to hold on to, or even buy new, an ICE, especially with the prospect of a carbon neutral man made fuel arriving some time in the not to distant furture.

As I posted



They may be part of the solution but they still dont solve the problem considering how much energy is needed to be produced to travel.. 5 times less efficient than an EV

 

[Bunkermagnet]

The plant is closing because of the lack of demand for EV Vans but the plant has to produce them - so they close one plant and just leave one open

There is a demand there, it's just that the range is pointless and the cost to purchase rediculous.
I haven't yet spoken to an electric van driver who has said it has good range and is a worth it's money. Most have said they wished they hadn't bought them.

 

[Fade and Die]

The plant is closing because of the lack of demand for EV Vans but the plant has to produce them - so they close one plant and just leave one open

But nobody wants EV vans because they are crap.

Fleets just aren’t wanting electric vans as new van sales decline in July - Broker News

Overall the July van market sees second successive monthly decrease in sales registrations as fleets shun electric vans

brokernews.co.uk

 

[PJ87]

But nobody wants EV vans because they are crap.

Fleets just aren’t wanting electric vans as new van sales decline in July - Broker News

Overall the July van market sees second successive monthly decrease in sales registrations as fleets shun electric vans

brokernews.co.uk

Vans are too heavy. Now returning to @Bunkermagnet point e fuels are perfect for vans because they you don't need to produce ev vans that don't suit and people can use e fuels

Save the EVs for cars which have proven to be more than capable

 

[harpo_72]

This is controversial.. so don’t get uptight please it based on experience.

Building cars is incredibly tedious, guys do long shifts hitting one bolt or connecting a couple of pieces. This is mind numbing and guys I have worked with have said they have friends from their time on the lines that are really affected. My line time was 3 months on the engines at Dagenham and then I was tasked with visiting Solihull, castle Brom and Halewood .. I have been around Aston Martin and Bentley, the last 2 are far more relaxed lines due to their volume. The volume lines are pressured to build cars in set times, there are constant reminders how much money is lost for missing build times etc .. so of course stuff gets missed.
The unions are really strong and they keep jobs that could be automated, so you could argue they are responsible for these workers being destroyed.
It’s stuff like this affects quality .. there are other things which we refer to as “late change” as well. But that one is hard to apply unless you have first hand experience of the development process.

 

[harpo_72]

But nobody wants EV vans because they are crap.

Fleets just aren’t wanting electric vans as new van sales decline in July - Broker News

Overall the July van market sees second successive monthly decrease in sales registrations as fleets shun electric vans

brokernews.co.uk

They are an oxymoron currently.. add more range and you lose load capacity ( kgs not volume)
I suppose there is a place for them but you need to restructure your approach and given the delivery companies are on a ridiculous time efficiency plan where they ring doorbell’s and run away or Chuck it over fences you can see that EV vans may not be suitable.
So if you want to make stuff work you need to adapt your approach… and currently I can’t see that happening.

 

[PJ87]

They are an oxymoron currently.. add more range and you lose load capacity ( kgs not volume)
I suppose there is a place for them but you need to restructure your approach and given the delivery companies are on a ridiculous time efficiency plan where they ring doorbell’s and run away or Chuck it over fences you can see that EV vans may not be suitable.
So if you want to make stuff work you need to adapt your approach… and currently I can’t see that happening.

They seem to work very well for the likes of Tesco and DPD for their local deliveries which is a very good use of them

However builders I can't see why they would embrace them when they need to do serious milage in their vans

Find the perfect match like mini cabs. They are perfect to be EVs. 200 miles a day will be plenty . Recharge at night happy days

But the man in the van not so much

 

[Fade and Die]

Vans are too heavy. Now returning to @Bunkermagnet point e fuels are perfect for vans because they you don't need to produce ev vans that don't suit and people can use e fuels

Save the EVs for cars which have proven to be more than capable

Agreed, EV cars for around town are great, Van as BM said, anyone who has one seem to regret them.

On the subject, I have to visit a site tomorrow with a view to remove/relocate 5 EV chargers installed under a block of HRHR (high rise, high risk) flats, apparently the fire brigade wants them removing under the 2022 Building safety Act.

 

[harpo_72]

They seem to work very well for the likes of Tesco and DPD for their local deliveries which is a very good use of them

However builders I can't see why they would embrace them when they need to do serious milage in their vans

Find the perfect match like mini cabs. They are perfect to be EVs. 200 miles a day will be plenty . Recharge at night happy days

But the man in the van not so much

I think the 2 you have mentioned have embraced them but I think they have been caught out a few times as well ..
But like you say the builders and tradesmen may not so inclined, but when you can charge up on your drive you can do jobs within 100miles .. Also big contractors do have chargers on site ( connected up to diesel generators ). I suppose it’s more to do with cost ..

 

[PJ87]

I think the 2 you have mentioned have embraced them but I think they have been caught out a few times as well ..
But like you say the builders and tradesmen may not so inclined, but when you can charge up on your drive you can do jobs within 100miles .. Also big contractors do have chargers on site ( connected up to diesel generators ). I suppose it’s more to do with cost ..

DPD are rather impressive (imo) with their use of them

They plan their routes effectively and local deliveries are all made by them

Seems a very good use of tech

 

[PJ87]

Agreed, EV cars for around town are great, Van as BM said, anyone who has one seem to regret them.

On the subject, I have to visit a site tomorrow with a view to remove/relocate 5 EV chargers installed under a block of HRHR (high rise, high risk) flats, apparently the fire brigade wants them removing under the 2022 Building safety Act.

It's not just around town tho it's majority of life these days

I'll be traveling down to bath in couple weeks. Stop for a coffee to recharge and I'll do the entire trip

My mate goes from London to Manchester in his id3 for the footy every week. He charges his car at a local car park whilst the game is on or stops for a coffee on way back

My parents now have same EV as me and they have a hybrid aswell. They go on regular long drives and aren't planning to use the hybrid . They have seen how easy it is

 

[Hobbit]

As I posted

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They may be part of the solution but they still dont solve the problem considering how much energy is needed to be produced to travel.. 5 times less efficient than an EV

Kia announced a few days ago they are about to launch a hydrogen car in Australia. A network of hydrogen stations is already in place. There was a great graphic about CO2 to go with it. It very much contradicts your graphic.

 

[PJ87]

Kia announced a few days ago they are about to launch a hydrogen car in Australia. A network of hydrogen stations is already in place. There was a great graphic about CO2 to go with it. It very much contradicts your graphic.

Does it? My graphic is clear. It's about how much energy used to travel that far

Doesn't mention co2

 

[hambugerpete]

No one said they were the end game. in 2026 F1 will be using totally sustainable fuels. Man made fuel for all ICE will follow, sooner than you want to admit.
Not buying into something that many don't see as the solution or a viable financial option are good enough reasons for many to hold on to, or even buy new, an ICE, especially with the prospect of a carbon neutral man made fuel arriving some time in the not to distant furture.

Sythentic fuels will have a part to play, but not at the volume required to replace fossil. Will be some niche uses

 

[hambugerpete]

Kia announced a few days ago they are about to launch a hydrogen car in Australia. A network of hydrogen stations is already in place. There was a great graphic about CO2 to go with it. It very much contradicts your graphic.

Ah hydrogen the great hero of 0 emission cars. Like sythentic fuels , it will have its uses but I'd be surpised to see it as the main fuel.

 

[Hobbit]

Does it? My graphic is clear. It's about how much energy used to travel that far

Doesn't mention co2

I thought you were all about making the planet green… think you’re splitting hairs here to justify your narrow point on this. You’re die hard EV, fine, but as with all technology it’ll get surpassed.

BTW, the Kia hydrogen powered car does 900 miles before it needs to refuel, not that anyone will go that far between stops.

 

[PJ87]

Ah hydrogen the great hero of 0 emission cars. Like sythentic fuels , it will have its uses but I'd be surpised to see it as the main fuel.

The irony is people have been championing hydrogen for years

The same people say we don't produce enough electricity for EVs

Yet apparently we will produce enough for hydrogen

 

[Hobbit]

Ah hydrogen the great hero of 0 emission cars. Like sythentic fuels , it will have its uses but I'd be surpised to see it as the main fuel.

I thought the same about battery power because of the size of the battery (originally) required.