The all things EV chat thread

[PJ87]

So even PJ87 agrees that running an EV entirely on public chargers is a non-starter.
Which reinforces my earlier observation that in order to get transport switched over to zero emissions, by putting all your eggs into the EV basket is a serious mistake.
Some other solution is needed for the fairly significant number of motorists who don't have a driveway.
But I see no evidence that the government has grasped this.

In the words of Ringo starr at the end of Thomas the tank engine

"But that's another story"

If I had done this trip entirely on public charges (average of 75p a unit) that 145% would have Cost £70.50 .. which is slightly more than the old car

I guess the bik tax savings help for business users? Doesn't help me

The gov have raised my tax from free to £165 think it is for next year so that saving goes

The home charging is massively the key for me

 

[Bunkermagnet]

So even PJ87 agrees that running an EV entirely on public chargers is a non-starter.
Which reinforces my earlier observation that in order to get transport switched over to zero emissions, by putting all your eggs into the EV basket is a serious mistake.
Some other solution is needed for the fairly significant number of motorists who don't have a driveway.
But I see no evidence that the government has grasped this.

It seems Europe is kicking back against EV now, with Petrol engine sales climbing again.
I still think EV will in time be the fill in option until something more robust and versatile comes out which I doubt will be very long.

 

[cliveb]

I still think EV will in time be the fill in option until something more robust and versatile comes out which I doubt will be very long.

I agree that is the best scenario. Like how those compact fluorescent bulbs were around for a while before LEDs became common.

But as long as governments legislate to force us down the EV route, that stifles R&D into other solutions.

 

[PJ87]

I agree that is the best scenario. Like how those compact fluorescent bulbs were around for a while before LEDs became common.

But as long as governments legislate to force us down the EV route, that stifles R&D into other solutions.

I see them part of the solution, like we had diesel and petrol we will have EV and another

I mean all these EV on the road won't go away, for those who charge at home they are a no brainer and a simple solution

 

[road2ruin]

Good news - Fisker has reduced the price of its Ocean SUV by £14,000 so you can get something at around the £32,000 mark brand new.

Bad news - you take a punt that nothing will go wrong as they're warning that due to current economic issues there will be limited support and services for their vehicles!!

Personally I'd need to be spending no more than £5,000 on it with this sort of risk attached!

 

[jim8flog]

So even PJ87 agrees that running an EV entirely on public chargers is a non-starter.
Which reinforces my earlier observation that in order to get transport switched over to zero emissions, by putting all your eggs into the EV basket is a serious mistake.
Some other solution is needed for the fairly significant number of motorists who don't have a driveway.
But I see no evidence that the government has grasped this.

What was being touted was chargers inside lamp posts.

The other problem is that even where local councils have allowed channels to be dug in the path is being able to park outside of your own home although I see community groups where this is no a problem.

One of the other big problems has to be roads where you are only allowed to park on e side of the road or there is no parking allowed either side.

The nearest big town (and our village) has done a lot to install public chargers but one of the downsides is that they are in public car parks so you have to pay the car parking fee as well.
There was a story about a guy parking in Tescos and did not read the maximum stay rules and got a penalty charge for staying too long whilst charging.

Infrastructure is long way off.

Personally I do not regret buying one but the vast majority of my driving is within full charge range (there and back) and most weeks I only charge once a week.

 

[larmen]

Good news - Fisker has reduced the price of its Ocean SUV by £14,000 so you can get something at around the £32,000 mark brand new.

Bad news - you take a punt that nothing will go wrong as they're warning that due to current economic issues there will be limited support and services for their vehicles!!

Personally I'd need to be spending no more than £5,000 on it with this sort of risk attached!

The one thing that has dropped more than the price of a Fisker is the share price of Fisker. One might be buying a car that is not supported and under warranty at any moment.
Shame, I like the Fisker.

Elon said in an interview that any new car maker will have an uphill battle because established car makers make their money on service, repairs and parts of older cars which are outside warranty times.


My guess is that the Fisker, … do not have that and therefore they don’t have that cash flow to sustain a business. Doesn’t mater how good the car.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Trucker friend of mine who was in a motorway services yesterday oop north, said the EV chargng stations had had their cables cut and removed for the copper just like they do on the railway lines.

 

[PJ87]

The one thing that has dropped more than the price of a Fisker is the share price of Fisker. One might be buying a car that is not supported and under warranty at any moment.
Shame, I like the Fisker.

Elon said in an interview that any new car maker will have an uphill battle because established car makers make their money on service, repairs and parts of older cars which are outside warranty times.


My guess is that the Fisker, … do not have that and therefore they don’t have that cash flow to sustain a business. Doesn’t mater how good the car.

That's one thing about Tesla is you know they will be about in years to come. They have firmly wedged themselves in the EV market plus home power

When our salary sacrifice scheme is open for EVs if it comes with insurance I'll get a Tesla to replace the wife's car and let her have the Kia.. I just couldn't justify the Insurance lol but if it's one fee

 

[Oddsocks]

Trucker friend of mine who was in a motorway services yesterday oop north, said the EV chargng stations had had their cables cut and removed for the copper just like they do on the railway lines.

Range anxiety through the roof. Poor old PJ will drown in a puddle of his own panic sweat.

 

[Fade and Die]

@PJ87 all of the above is very useful, good information for people. It does seem a right old faff though. Constantly plugging in, charging, thinking about charging. I appreciate that is a mindset we may all need to change to but it is off putting when people are used to the simplicity of ICE cars.

I'm particularly thinking of people I know who are not at all organised, this would be a disaster for them.

It’s pretty obvious that the early adopters of EVs are just Beta testers, the technology is just not good enough yet, I have no doubt that in 10 years time we will all be buzzing about in EVs but just not yet.

 

[PJ87]

It’s pretty obvious that the early adopters of EVs are just Beta testers, the technology is just not good enough yet, I have no doubt that in 10 years time we will all be buzzing about in EVs but just not yet.

I think that's not entirely true. For a lot of people the tech is more than there

It's the distance drivers that it's not fully there

But the average driver easily can manage

I'm happy to do 12,000 EV miles a year in mine , the 2 long trips we do a year I can stomach a public charge

But if your doing daily, unless you got charging everywhere you go nah it's not perfect

 

[Slime]

It’s pretty obvious that the early adopters of EVs are just Beta testers, the technology is just not good enough yet, I have no doubt that in 10 years time we will all be buzzing about in EVs but just not yet.

I'm not so sure.

 

[Oddsocks]

I'm happy to do 12,000 POSTS about my EV per year

Fixed.

 

[PJ87]

Another bonus of electroverse from octopus is price plunges randomly



Helpful for those who use

I do enjoy the fact the £22.75 I spent charging is coming off my monthly energy bill rather than any credit card (as it's summer build up credit months)

 

[jim8flog]

It’s pretty obvious that the early adopters of EVs are just Beta testers, the technology is just not good enough yet, I have no doubt that in 10 years time we will all be buzzing about in EVs but just not yet.

What do you mean by early adopters?

The technology has been around for decades now - think milk floats

 

[PJ87]

What do you mean by early adopters?

The technology has been around for decades now - think milk floats

Their is a lot of misunderstanding of EV tech. "Early adopters" were the nissan leaf 24 kw car which came out in 2011

Tech has moved on leaps and bounds

It's called "the future" wrongly. EVs are very much present tech and they work well (as you know yourself)

Tesla is an entirely EV brand that went mainstream in 2012 with the model s

Now 12 years later you have 4 models of car. Over 200,000 cars in the UK alone are Teslas

EVs over took diesel sales (new) in January of 2023 aswell

The tech of EVs are so advanced compared to that first leaf it's unreal.

You can recharge in public in under 30 mins for some cars

The Tesla's can go 300 miles plus

Bog standard EVs are 200 plus mile cars now

Majority of energy providers have EV tariffs now, rather than a couple offering deals

EVs are very much mainstream

The only difference is whilst tech moves on people's perceptions don't. They still believe the article they read 5 years ago about EVs which is already 10 years out of date. This is very much true of everything tho, people believe what they read and unless you are actively researching something your information is outdated

 

[Fade and Die]

What do you mean by early adopters?

The technology has been around for decades now - think milk floats

That’s true Ernie was a pioneer… but just focusing on cars, in the U.K. the amount of EV cars on the read is about 7%, that’s still very low, if, assuming we will all be in EVs one day I think it’s fair to say you are an early adopter.

Worldwide the % of EV cars on the road is even smaller.

 

[larmen]

That’s true Ernie was a pioneer… but just focusing on cars, in the U.K. the amount of EV cars on the read is about 7%, that’s still very low, if, assuming we will all be in EVs one day I think it’s fair to say you are an early adopter.

Worldwide the % of EV cars on the road is even smaller.

I think we are only now in, or getting into the state, where 2nd hand EV is a viable option?

My Focus is on the way out, over 16 years old now ( one not so careful owner ) and while a couple of years ago I looked at Hyundai Tucson to replace it I think once it goes it will be an EV now. Going to get PJ to consult on that once we have to ;-)

 

[PJ87]

I think we are only now in, or getting into the state, where 2nd hand EV is a viable option?

My Focus is on the way out, over 16 years old now ( one not so careful owner ) and while a couple of years ago I looked at Hyundai Tucson to replace it I think once it goes it will be an EV now. Going to get PJ to consult on that once we have to ;-)

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