The EU is trying to force every country to have tolls on all major roads. Spain was in the process of reducing tolls with an aim to make them all toll free eventually.
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The EU is trying to force every country to have tolls on all major roads. Spain was in the process of reducing tolls with an aim to make them all toll free eventually.
Can we rewind and go back to how rubbish paper straw are? No, okay, carry on. (But they are useless 
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PJ87
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Seems a ridiculous way around it, anpr is much simpler , unless I'm being too binary about it and thinking literally tolls
Anpr with just pay by what it picks up billed to your account
That's if they make it fair for time of day use
If they keep it simple with amount it will be on your mot milage check but make all cars need them
PJ87
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Can we rewind and go back to how rubbish paper straw are? No, okay, carry on. (But they are useless
Took the Mrs out for cocktails they were crap
So for Xmas that year a stocking filler got her a metal straw set
Has not once left the blooming house
ColchesterFC
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Isn't pay per mile exactly what tax on petrol/diesel is? The more you drive, the more you pay and there's no way to avoid it. If you want to drive your car from A to B then you're going to need some fuel. If you want to make that journey by car then you're absolutely going to have to use some fuel which was taxed when you bought it.
I was going to post up the same. It also has the added benefit of the manufacturers striving to make vehicles more fuel efficient. However, how do you tax electric vehicles - one for @pauljames87 ? Are the chargers, especially the public ones, intelligent enough to incorporate a tax element that could be forwarded on to HMRC?
cliveb
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He said he has a coffee at every stop as well, which might explain the need for more toilet breaksHow weak is your bladder that you need to stop every 2 hours to go for a wee? You're a young man with an old man's bladder by the sounds of that. Even at my age I don't need to stop that often.
We already have it. Duty on petrol and diesel IS a pay per mile tax. And what's more, it's a tax that makes each mile more expensive for the more polluting cars.
The introduction of EVs en mass means some other scheme will be required, but to impose it on ICE cars which are already paying a pay per mile tax is unfair. But of course it will happen, because for as long as I can remember the motorist has been seen as fair game.
Edit: I see Colchester FC beat me to it.
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cliveb
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Don't all EVs keep a record of how much electricity they've had put into them? Reading that out of the ECU would be a simple solution, but you can put money on the government imposing some vastly more complicated scheme.
PJ87
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Well it all depends, all modern chargers installed now have to be able to record how much kWh is sent via the charger, easily reported to HMRC
For example octopus give you the whole house at the cheap rate but other companies only let what goes via the charger .. so it's there
However then we have an issue. Granny chargers and older chargers that don't report this
For example if I plug in my 3 pin charger outside the house nobody knows how much charge I use
But plug into the ohme / podpoint (changing to ohme tomorrow) they would be able to
Fast chargers are already taxed at 20% vat , but campaign to reduce to 5% like at home
However they could simply add tax to the cost , it's just a programme
PJ87
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I believe so. Looking at my app apparently 307kw I've used since I got it and done 1050 miles so average out at 3.45 on all journeys by looks via the app
clubchamp98
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Didn’t do away with VED though.( road tax ) but yes your correct.
The taxes motorists pay the roads should be like billiard tables with underfloor heating for winter.
Motorists are cash cows and as soon as the time is right EVs will be taxed just like ICE cars
They will also put on PPM as well.
clubchamp98
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So every April you get a tax bill for your car.
Tax avoidance will become an art if it already isn’t!
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
So yesterday had my charger swapped for an ohme home pro
Whilst my mate was there he also rewired where the charger takes it's feed from . No longer takes power after the powerwall, it's cut in before.
Means it can never drain the battery
Straight onto octopus intelligent tariff and any extra slots will just pull from grid , happy days
Whilst my mate was there he also rewired where the charger takes it's feed from . No longer takes power after the powerwall, it's cut in before.
Means it can never drain the battery
Straight onto octopus intelligent tariff and any extra slots will just pull from grid , happy days
Bunkermagnet
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clubchamp98
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That’s technology for you .
Apple do this with older phones.
Not a great advert for their cars.
PJ87
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The leaf has reached the end of its life cycle as it is, from 2026 it won't be sold
End of this year they stop building it in Sunderland
Shame a nice little EV but they know the market
Bunkermagnet
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Think it’s a terrible advert for them, their cars and EVs in general.
PJ87
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How do you jump to that one then?
1 the cars will continue to work despite the app being disconnected
2. Even tho the chargers have long been changed from type 1 to type 2 they are still around in their numbers
3 they won't just stop working
So exactly how is it a terrible advert for EV in general?
Fully agree it's a bad advert for nissan.
Not sure of the current law, and aware that it varies from product to product, but there is a legal requirement to provide support for a product for a period post-production. For example, it’s 7 years for medical equipment.
What muddies the waters is there’s a different requirement for software ‘v’ hardware.
Whatever, it’s not a good look for Nissan.
PJ87
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Think they are well past that stage, whilst I'm strongly anti what nissan have done the cut off for the app use is 2016 cars. That's 8 years ago.
I'd be annoyed if my app didn't work but then on the vauxhall it never worked because it was crap so I just used the car settings anyways (which is still available here just can't remotely set them)
Guess they didn't put the ability to change the SIM to a say 4g SIM in the cars
