The all things EV chat thread

[Mudball]

For those who complain about charging infrastructure..: it is a deeper problem than what you think..

 

[IanM]

The garage lent me a very new GLC hybrid today... might be a sales ploy.

I didn't like it, but it might have been the newness feeling weird. Mercedes have gone to a screen the size of an ipad, lots of over engineering as usual. I didn't ask the price, but you'd get a few rounds on Birkdale for that money!

 

[Hobbit]

Personally I don't think speed of charge is a big as a issue as it's made out. If you make it roughly 30 mins for a top up

As has been said by various people contributing in this thread, that’s a personal choice thing, and also the circumstances on the day.

• Pull in, petrol in, pull out. Big tick.
• Pull in, plug in, wait an extra 20mins then pull out. Fail, for me.
• Pull in, plug in, go for a burger whilst charging. Back to the car and leave. Big tick.
• Pull in, go for a burger. Petrol in. Is that a fail or pass?

For me, not for you(?), the current charging time is still an issue, especially if it’s an urgent journey. Technology will improve the charging rate, and at that point range will also stop being an issue.

 

[PJ87]

As has been said by various people contributing in this thread, that’s a personal choice thing, and also the circumstances on the day.

• Pull in, petrol in, pull out. Big tick.
• Pull in, plug in, wait an extra 20mins then pull out. Fail, for me.
• Pull in, plug in, go for a burger whilst charging. Back to the car and leave. Big tick.
• Pull in, go for a burger. Petrol in. Is that a fail or pass?

For me, not for you(?), the current charging time is still an issue, especially if it’s an urgent journey. Technology will improve the charging rate, and at that point range will also stop being an issue.

See the fully charged video about grid serve , nice set up

If they have chargers all alone motorways at services

20-30 min stop every 2 hours for a wee and a coffee if they get plug and play working won't even register tbh

Pull in, plug in. Walk to loo , order coffee. Pay, return to car , 150 miles added , head off

 

[Hobbit]

See the fully charged video about grid serve , nice set up

If they have chargers all alone motorways at services

20-30 min stop every 2 hours for a wee and a coffee if they get plug and play working won't even register tbh

Pull in, plug in. Walk to loo , order coffee. Pay, return to car , 150 miles added , head off

You‘re missing my point Paul. That works for you but not for me. Just as others have said, what works for one doesn’t work for someone else. Would a 2 seater car work for a family of 4? No. And it’s that simple. Those that say no to EV’s, after weighing up the pro’s and cons aren’t wrong.

 

[PJ87]

You‘re missing my point Paul. That works for you but not for me. Just as others have said, what works for one doesn’t work for someone else. Would a 2 seater car work for a family of 4? No. And it’s that simple. Those that say no to EV’s, after weighing up the pro’s and cons aren’t wrong.

Problem is the pipe dream of solid state batteries is further away than the ban on Ice cars being sold new

Minor adaptations to driving practices would make it more of a reality for more people

I mean if your a traveling sales person and need to drive 300 miles per day fair enough that's gonna be some change

If your an average Joe and say drive 300 miles a week but every 3 months you do a long drive then length of England then a small compromise wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

 

[Hobbit]

Problem is the pipe dream of solid state batteries is further away than the ban on Ice cars being sold new

Minor adaptations to driving practices would make it more of a reality for more people

I mean if your a traveling sales person and need to drive 300 miles per day fair enough that's gonna be some change

If your an average Joe and say drive 300 miles a week but every 3 months you do a long drive then length of England then a small compromise wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

But you’re telling people they have to change their driving habits, that they have to compromise. It’s up to them to make that choice, not you for them.

 

[ColchesterFC]

See the fully charged video about grid serve , nice set up

If they have chargers all alone motorways at services

20-30 min stop every 2 hours for a wee and a coffee if they get plug and play working won't even register tbh

Pull in, plug in. Walk to loo , order coffee. Pay, return to car , 150 miles added , head off

How weak is your bladder that you need to stop every 2 hours to go for a wee? You're a young man with an old man's bladder by the sounds of that. Even at my age I don't need to stop that often.

Obviously slightly kidding above, but a 20 minute stop after 4 hours shouldn't be controversial no matter what vehicle you are driving. Even in an ICE vehicle, pulling in on an 8 hour journey to top up with fuel and get a coffee would take the best part of 15/20 minutes and break up your journey.

Clutching at straws, I think the only benefit of ICE over EV on longer journeys is if you have multiple drivers in the car. If you have an ICE car that can travel 700 miles (as an example) on a single tank of fuel and you have 3 or 4 drivers then the need to stop is eliminated - other than a quick stop to swap drivers. If you have a 700 mile journey in an EV, even with 3 or 4 drivers in the car, you are still going to have to stop for longer to recharge. But I would guess that this sort of journey is far less than 0.1% of the total journeys taken so isn't really even a consideration.

 

[clubchamp98]

Problem is the pipe dream of solid state batteries is further away than the ban on Ice cars being sold new

Minor adaptations to driving practices would make it more of a reality for more people

I mean if your a traveling sales person and need to drive 300 miles per day fair enough that's gonna be some change

If your an average Joe and say drive 300 miles a week but every 3 months you do a long drive then length of England then a small compromise wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

Imho the charging isn’t a problem for most ordinary mileage drivers it’s the price of the car.
Thats what put me off.

Until this is adressed uptake will be slow!

 

[ColchesterFC]

But you’re telling people they have to change their driving habits, that they have to compromise. It’s up to them to make that choice, not you for them.

But they're already making us change our habits in other areas with no choice. Tesco now sell non-PVC clingfilm which is rubbish compared to "proper" clingfilm but we have no choice. We're being forced into making these changes.

 

[PJ87]

Imho the charging isn’t a problem for most ordinary mileage drivers it’s the price of the car.

Until this is adressed uptake will be slow!

This has already been addressed with second hand costs, the cost has gone through the floor. They are on par with second hand cars

How weak is your bladder that you need to stop every 2 hours to go for a wee? You're a young man with an old man's bladder by the sounds of that. Even at my age I don't need to stop that often.

Obviously slightly kidding above, but a 20 minute stop after 4 hours shouldn't be controversial no matter what vehicle you are driving. Even in an ICE vehicle, pulling in on an 8 hour journey to top up with fuel and get a coffee would take the best part of 15/20 minutes and break up your journey.

Clutching at straws, I think the only benefit of ICE over EV on longer journeys is if you have multiple drivers in the car. If you have an ICE car that can travel 700 miles (as an example) on a single tank of fuel and you have 3 or 4 drivers then the need to stop is eliminated - other than a quick stop to swap drivers. If you have a 700 mile journey in an EV, even with 3 or 4 drivers in the car, you are still going to have to stop for longer to recharge. But I would guess that this sort of journey is far less than 0.1% of the total journeys taken so isn't really even a consideration.

Fully agree! The second driver situation is unbeatable

2 hours is probably a safe time to stop for the average driver. For levels of alertness as well as wee wee

But you’re telling people they have to change their driving habits, that they have to compromise. It’s up to them to make that choice, not you for them.

Last time I checked I'm not in power.

People can take as long as they want to make the change but more people will make the change the better the charge network gets it breeds confidence

 

[Hobbit]

But they're already making us change our habits in other areas with no choice. Tesco now sell non-PVC clingfilm which is rubbish compared to "proper" clingfilm but we have no choice. We're being forced into making these changes.

And as Paul has pointed out petrol cars will be banned - in fact certain polluting cars are already banned in some cities here in Spain. It is coming but it isn’t here yet.

 

[PJ87]

But they're already making us change our habits in other areas with no choice. Tesco now sell non-PVC clingfilm which is rubbish compared to "proper" clingfilm but we have no choice. We're being forced into making these changes.

You are 100% not wrong here.. same with paper straws. There utter crap but we have to have them

People can stick with ice cars as long as possible but I'd wager petrol will be taxed even heavier than now , more petrol cars will fail things like ulez etc until they tax you off the road

 

[clubchamp98]

This has already been addressed with second hand costs, the cost has gone through the floor. They are on par with second hand cars



Fully agree! The second driver situation is unbeatable

2 hours is probably a safe time to stop for the average driver. For levels of alertness as well as wee wee



Last time I checked I'm not in power.

People can take as long as they want to make the change but more people will make the change the better the charge network gets it breeds confidence

I don’t want a second hand car .
I buy a new car every three years so it’s not sorted for me.

 

[PJ87]

I don’t want a second hand car .
I buy a new car every three years so it’s not sorted for me.

To be fair if you buy a new car every 3 years are you paying new prices? Or pre registered?

Because if new that's pretty expensive anyways and there are some comparable EV choices out there in price ranges to suit a lot of people

However it then becomes a brand compromise

If you drive say a brand new BMW you then drive a brand new Toyota for example

Or rather than every 3 years becomes every 4

Those sort of compromise I made myself. Dropped down a brand level and got a car with a warranty that outlives the longest I've ever owned a car

 

[clubchamp98]

To be fair if you buy a new car every 3 years are you paying new prices? Or pre registered?

Because if new that's pretty expensive anyways and there are some comparable EV choices out there in price ranges to suit a lot of people

However it then becomes a brand compromise

If you drive say a brand new BMW you then drive a brand new Toyota for example

Or rather than every 3 years becomes every 4

Those sort of compromise I made myself. Dropped down a brand level and got a car with a warranty that outlives the longest I've ever owned a car

Yes but I will do that when I have to.
I might even give up driving when I’m 70 ( 4yrs) . Will keep this car until then.
I can get to the club with my bus pass.

 

[ColchesterFC]

You are 100% not wrong here.. same with paper straws. There utter crap but we have to have them

People can stick with ice cars as long as possible but I'd wager petrol will be taxed even heavier than now , more petrol cars will fail things like ulez etc until they tax you off the road

The problem is that you and me, and the rest of the plebs, are being forced to drink our drinks through a soggy paper straw and trying to get our non-PVC clingfilm to stick to anything while the rich are flying around the planet on their private planes lecturing the rest of us on what we have to do to reduce our emissions to save the planet. You only have to look at the number of private planes that flew into the last Climate Change Conference or the number of "green" celebrities that flew into Vegas to watch the Superbowl to know that when it comes to cutting back and reducing emissions it's only us plebs that it refers to and that the wealthy will carry on as they are.

You might well be correct with your wager but in response I would wager that once they win the war to get people to swap to EVs then electricity will be taxed heavily or pay-per-mile will be introduced to recoup the income lost due to lack of petrol/diesel tax.

 

[PJ87]

The problem is that you and me, and the rest of the plebs, are being forced to drink our drinks through a soggy paper straw and trying to get our non-PVC clingfilm to stick to anything while the rich are flying around the planet on their private planes lecturing the rest of us on what we have to do to reduce our emissions to save the planet. You only have to look at the number of private planes that flew into the last Climate Change Conference or the number of "green" celebrities that flew into Vegas to watch the Superbowl to know that when it comes to cutting back and reducing emissions it's only us plebs that it refers to and that the wealthy will carry on as they are.

You might well be correct with your wager but in response I would wager that once they win the war to get people to swap to EVs then electricity will be taxed heavily or pay-per-mile will be introduced to recoup the income lost due to lack of petrol/diesel tax.

100% pay per mile will be in by the end of the decade most likely

It's the fairest way

I'm living the cheap life while I can..make hay whilst the sun is shinning

However I'll add pay per mile will be on top of petrol tax imo

 

[clubchamp98]

100% pay per mile will be in by the end of the decade most likely

It's the fairest way

I'm living the cheap life while I can..make hay whilst the sun is shinning

However I'll add pay per mile will be on top of petrol tax imo

It is the fairest way and should have been done years ago.

 

[PJ87]

It is the fairest way and should have been done years ago.

It's one of them nobody wants to do because it's unpopular. It costs whoever brings it in. Even tho it's a correct decision

Like the poll tax riots. A fairer tax then we ended up with but because it would be unpopular back track