The all things EV chat thread

[PJ87]

@bobmac dw I understood the point your making..it proves it can go the distance not that it's a good price.

It's a terrible price

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This one's done a lot less miles for similar price

The performance is like owning a M3 not a BMW 3 series , apples and oranges being compared

 

[bobmac]

Suspect that any BMW or equivalent ICE car that’s done that level of mileage will be around another 5 years older and half the price

For £18k you can get a 3 year old BMW with just 22,000 on the clock

Apologies, when you said ''new price'' I thought you were talking about new prices.
A new standard Tesla Model 3 is about the same as a new BMW 3 series (around £40,000)

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Apologies, when you said ''new price'' I thought you were talking about new prices.
A new standard Tesla Model 3 is about the same as a new BMW 3 series (around £40,000)

I believe it is very similar

But then you don’t need to spend BMW 3 series money if you want an ICE car that is a good motorway car - where as if you want an EV that’s good for the long distance motorway driving it’s going to cost you

Right now it’s just not financially viable - maybe in the future when they have the affordable EV car that can do 300 plus miles on a single charge EVs for your standard family will be seen as a viable option

 

[PJ87]

Apologies, when you said ''new price'' I thought you were talking about new prices.
A new standard Tesla Model 3 is about the same as a new BMW 3 series (around £40,000)

The mg 4 is 30k for the long range 280 mile car

That would compete with a lot of ice cars considering a ford focus is 28k

 

[bobmac]

Right now it’s just not financially viable - maybe in the future when they have the affordable EV car that can do 300 plus miles on a single charge EVs for your standard family will be seen as a viable option

I'm not sure if you are still talking new or not and what your idea of affordable is but a Tesla Model 3 long range, 389 miles, 3 years old, 38,000 miles, £22,995.
If you are daft enough to want new, bearing in mind the depreciation of all new cars, you will of course pay more.

 

[PJ87]

I'm not sure if you are still talking new or not and what your idea of affordable is but a Tesla Model 3 long range, 389 miles, 3 years old, 38,000 miles, £22,995.
If you are daft enough to want new, bearing in mind the depreciation of all new cars, you will of course pay more.

Bear in mind other cars are available aswell..

But the fact of the matter is the used market has made ev ownership more accessible for people who couldn't afford before.

Range is less of an issue now than before

So long as you can charge at your home your pretty much suited. Proving you don't want to drive 350 miles non stop all the time every day.

When I ditched my Ice cars fully I spoke to the wife and we worked out just how many trips a year we would go over 200 miles. The answer was 0-1 a year.

Even going to my mates is 150 so it's possible not to stop (kids will need a stop)

We decided that for the sake of 0-1 trips a year Is it worth staying with ice? For us it wasn't

If it was every week would be worth staying , every month? Really depends. We have to stop anyways , so would just stop at a charger that has toilets and or food

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I'm not sure if you are still talking new or not and what your idea of affordable is but a Tesla Model 3 long range, 389 miles, 3 years old, 38,000 miles, £22,995.
If you are daft enough to want new, bearing in mind the depreciation of all new cars, you will of course pay more.

You just need to look through Cinch and see lots of very good ICE deals for cars up to £20k - younger with less miles

Tesla is the EV with the range that is comfortable for most ( hence why I expect at some point they move to be more about their batteries)

Guess we will also know soon enough the impact on all those high mileage on batteries - there will be a very small amount of people that would spend over £15k on a car that’s only 3 years old but has over 130k miles on the clock ice or EV

 

[Slime]

They are a great city car yes but too many people write them off as anything but that. 250 miles mine gets.
Ample family car day trip range.



If your driving 300 miles a day without a stop their not suited

However those are the minority of drivers.

And if one doesn't have off street parking?
That's a massive downside of EVs.

 

[PJ87]

And if one doesn't have off street parking?
That's a massive downside of EVs.

Luckily there is more than one way to skin a cat and many solutions have already been presented on this thread to the home charging situation.

 

[bobmac]

Guess we will also know soon enough the impact on all those high mileage on batteries - there will be a very small amount of people that would spend over £15k on a car that’s only 3 years old but has over 130k miles on the clock ice or EV

For goodness sake, I'm not suggesting anyone should go out and buy a car that has done 135,000, I was merely suggesting that many Tesla owners would argue that EVs are not only good for city traffic.

And if one doesn't have off street parking?
That's a massive downside of EVs.

Really ?
I'll get on the phone to Elon straight away

 

[Slime]

Really ?
I'll get on the phone to Elon straight away

Yes, really.

 

[PJ87]

Yes, really.

You could do a bit of research into all the ways around it, and just how many houses don't have driveways. Etc rather than posting empty statements with no facts to back them up

Just a thought

 

[Deleted member 15344]

For goodness sake, I'm not suggesting anyone should go out and buy a car that has done 135,000, I was merely suggesting that many Tesla owners would argue that EVs are not only good for city traffic.


Really ?
I'll get on the phone to Elon straight away

I think many Tesla owners would disagree like the owner of a Model 3 performance June 2020, four door, family saloon with a range of 329 miles, 0-60 in 3.2 seconds, 425L boot and in its short life has covered 135,000 miles. Yours for only £17,164.
For comparison, that's faster than a Ferrari Portofino which, for the same year (2020) would start at £125,000

Maybe don’t make throw away comments which include the high mileage and the price as if it’s some bargain for someone to grab

And yes not having off street parking is a downside to owning an EV

My two car park spaces are 20 yards away in front of the house with a path going in front where people walk past

Its not practical nor safe to have an EV plugged in and charging , plenty of houses the same around here both old and new

 

[Slime]

You could do a bit of research into all the ways around it, and just how many houses don't have driveways. Etc rather than posting empty statements with no facts to back them up

Just a thought

Empty statement?
Are you saying that people with no access to off street parking don't have much of an issue?
My mum, for instance, lives in a 1st floor flat.

 

[D-S]

You could do a bit of research into all the ways around it, and just how many houses don't have driveways. Etc rather than posting empty statements with no facts to back them up

Just a thought

Apparently 30% of households do not have access to off street parking. Ironically this number increases greatly in cities where EVs are more useful.

 

[PJ87]

Apparently 30% of households do not have access to off street parking.

Is it that low? That is a very low %

Then you need to consider how many of those who don't have off street parking also don't have access to any form of charging at home (off a lamppost, running cables which I've seen , chargers that come from floor , or shared charging in flats)

Then of those who don't have all that how many drive over 300 miles a week for example?

If someone drives 250 miles a week in a Tesla with no parking they could realistically charge at a super charger once a week ..

Tesco have chargers for example, fast charge off the 50ke ones whilst they shop.

 

[D-S]

Is it that low? That is a very low %

Then you need to consider how many of those who don't have off street parking also don't have access to any form of charging at home (off a lamppost, running cables which I've seen , chargers that come from floor , or shared charging in flats)

Then of those who don't have all that how many drive over 300 miles a week for example?

If someone drives 250 miles a week in a Tesla with no parking they could realistically charge at a super charger once a week ..

Tesco have chargers for example, fast charge off the 50ke ones whilst they shop.

Currently there is no provision anywhere I know of lamppost charging or chargers coming from the floor (these would need to start getting rolled out pretty damn quickly if we are to hit targets) - I certainly haven't seen or heard of any. Re shared charging in flats, you would need off street parking in the first place to have this.

Also I don't think inconveniencing almost a third of UK households is that low, maybe you think that's ok?

 

[PJ87]

Currently there is no provision anywhere I know of lamppost charging or chargers coming from the floor (these would need to start getting rolled out pretty damn quickly if we are to hit targets) - I certainly haven't seen or heard of any. Re shared charging in flats, you would need off street parking in the first place to have this.

Also I don't think inconveniencing almost a third of UK households is that low, maybe you think that's ok?

You missed the point. Out of that 3rd you need to find how many would still be able to cope with one

If they could charge publicly once a week and fit their milage. That's fine

Plenty of lamppost chargers about. I posted a picture of one a few months ago

Out the floor ones are being installed

But I accept London has more than others

I've seen people out charging cables across the pavement and despite people's insistence it actually doesn't break any laws providing you make an effort to warn people of it.

But back to point A

If 1/3 of the country doesn't have off-street parking you need to find out how many of that 1/3 will have zero access to some kind of charging.

If your work has charging you can use, then do you need home charging? I can tell you I have off-street parking, and last year I covered 10,000 EV miles .. I charged £37 worth which is 400kw (very small, 8 battery charge of old car) the rest was done at work whilst my car was sitting still.

 

[bobmac]

Maybe don’t make throw away comments which include the high mileage and the price as if it’s some bargain for someone to grab

I was pointing out that some EVs are capable of driving large distances out of cities.
I also pointed out the car mentioned would do 0-60 in 3.2 seconds
I also pointed out that an equivalent performance petrol car would cost upwards of £125,000

And yes not having off street parking is a downside to owning an EV

Correct.
Any person who has even thought of owning an EV knows that. (please note post no. 3. Over 3 years ago.

My two car park spaces are 20 yards away in front of the house with a path going in front where people walk past

Its not practical nor safe to have an EV plugged in and charging , plenty of houses the same around here both old and new

Yes I know some people can't charge at home.
How many more times do you want to tell us?
If you don't want an Ev, don't buy one, buy a brand new ICE car in 2034 and keep it for 20 years if you want.
I don't give a monkeys

 

[PJ87]

I was pointing out that some EVs are capable of driving large distances out of cities.
I also pointed out the car mentioned would do 0-60 in 3.2 seconds
I also pointed out that an equivalent performance petrol car would cost upwards of £125,000

Correct.
Any person who has even thought of owning an EV knows that. (please note post no. 3. Over 3 years ago.

Yes I know some people can't charge at home.
How many more times do you want to tell us?
If you don't want an Ev, don't buy one, buy a brand new ICE car in 2034 and keep it for 20 years if you want.
I don't give a monkeys

It's funny people say 20 yards away like it hasn't been done. Plenty of chargers been installed far away from power supplies by professionals , with the charger on a post between the spaces and the armoured cable buried safely under ground.