The all things EV chat thread

[PJ87]

not sure on that Clive - only going by the figures quoted on there - by the prices of 1y/10k cars quoted seem (without much research on these specific models but knowledge of simmilar) as likely cheaper now

Infact, just doing a check - will use the Hyundai Kona (a la PJ87) as it has electic, hybrid and ICE, used 2023 and newer and selected auto and sorted from cheapest, within 70 miles of Wokingham. The first page is all electric, starting at 16.5k and may are only 1-3k miles The first non electric is a hybrid on page 2 at 22k with 17k miles - next hybrid page 4 at 25.5k

New & Used Cars for Sale - Auto Trader UK

www.autotrader.co.uk

That was certainly what leaned me towards a second EV

Cheap, already have the charger etc. low running costs ..

Even said to wife once a month I prob need to take it to work to make sure it's not getting some miles.

Going to add rather than repost something but the Kona will have loads of stock as in 2020 they were smashing out lease deals left right the centre for them on 3 year hot deals . They are all coming up to second hand market now

 

[cliveb]

not sure on that Clive - only going by the figures quoted on there - by the prices of 1y/10k cars quoted seem (without much research on these specific models but knowledge of simmilar) as likely cheaper now

Infact, just doing a check - will use the Hyundai Kona (a la PJ87) as it has electic, hybrid and ICE, used 2023 and newer and selected auto and sorted from cheapest, within 70 miles of Wokingham. The first page is all electric, starting at 16.5k and may are only 1-3k miles The first non electric is a hybrid on page 2 at 22k with 17k miles - next hybrid page 4 at 25.5k

I see you selected auto. If you allow manual, there are loads of petrol hybrids (I presume mild hybrids rather than plugins) about £1.5k cheaper than the cheapest full electric. But I agree that it's close. (Interesting that the purely petrol ones are very much more expensive).

When I was browsing out of interest, I didn't look at Hyundai, and perhaps they may be a bit of an outlier. Other makes don't seem so close...

Although I'm not a fan of Vauxhall, you can get a petrol Corsa for £8, and the cheapest Corsa EV is £11k. Astra petrol £15k, Astra plug-in hybrid £23k.

I rather like Skodas, and the cheapest EV (Enyaq) is £25k, while you can get a petrol Octavia estate (closest equivalent) for £18k. A plug-in Octavia is £24.5. Of course they are not the same models. Skoda don't make a pure EV that's also available in other formats. (And for my requirements, a Fabia estate is all I need, which you can get for £14k).

Here's another one: SEAT. Petrol Leon £15.5k, hybrid Leon £20.5k.

 

[PJ87]

I see you selected auto. If you allow manual, there are loads of petrol hybrids (I presume mild hybrids rather than plugins) about £1.5k cheaper than the cheapest full electric. But I agree that it's close. (Interesting that the purely petrol ones are very much more expensive).

When I was browsing out of interest, I didn't look at Hyundai, and perhaps they may be a bit of an outlier. Other makes don't seem so close...

Although I'm not a fan of Vauxhall, you can get a petrol Corsa for £8, and the cheapest Corsa EV is £11k. Astra petrol £15k, Astra plug-in hybrid £23k.

I rather like Skodas, and the cheapest EV (Enyaq) is £25k, while you can get a petrol Octavia estate (closest equivalent) for £18k. A plug-in Octavia is £24.5. Of course they are not the same models. Skoda don't make a pure EV that's also available in other formats. (And for my requirements, a Fabia estate is all I need, which you can get for £14k).

Here's another one: SEAT. Petrol Leon £15.5k, hybrid Leon £20.5k.

I'd fully not recommend the Corsa. The build quality is crap. The paint fell off the roof!

Manual is difficult to compare because electric is all auto

 

[Deleted member 35577]

I did a (very) rough calculation this morning based on my average annual driving. I spend approx £1700 a year on diesel at a cost of around 17p a mile. An EV averaging around 3 miles per KWH would cost about £300 a year for the same driving based on cheap overnight charging plus a bit extra for public charging when I do longer trips.

The cars I can afford around the £20k mark are nowhere near as nice as my current car but saving £1400 a year is food for thought

 

[chellie]

Have all Kona's been sold on Autotrader? None came up on my search.

 

[PNWokingham]

I see you selected auto. If you allow manual, there are loads of petrol hybrids (I presume mild hybrids rather than plugins) about £1.5k cheaper than the cheapest full electric. But I agree that it's close. (Interesting that the purely petrol ones are very much more expensive).

When I was browsing out of interest, I didn't look at Hyundai, and perhaps they may be a bit of an outlier. Other makes don't seem so close...

Although I'm not a fan of Vauxhall, you can get a petrol Corsa for £8, and the cheapest Corsa EV is £11k. Astra petrol £15k, Astra plug-in hybrid £23k.

I rather like Skodas, and the cheapest EV (Enyaq) is £25k, while you can get a petrol Octavia estate (closest equivalent) for £18k. A plug-in Octavia is £24.5. Of course they are not the same models. Skoda don't make a pure EV that's also available in other formats. (And for my requirements, a Fabia estate is all I need, which you can get for £14k).

Here's another one: SEAT. Petrol Leon £15.5k, hybrid Leon £20.5k.as mentioned I have done no research on electric apart from above as

I see you selected auto. If you allow manual, there are loads of petrol hybrids (I presume mild hybrids rather than plugins) about £1.5k cheaper than the cheapest full electric. But I agree that it's close. (Interesting that the purely petrol ones are very much more expensive).

When I was browsing out of interest, I didn't look at Hyundai, and perhaps they may be a bit of an outlier. Other makes don't seem so close...

Although I'm not a fan of Vauxhall, you can get a petrol Corsa for £8, and the cheapest Corsa EV is £11k. Astra petrol £15k, Astra plug-in hybrid £23k.

I rather like Skodas, and the cheapest EV (Enyaq) is £25k, while you can get a petrol Octavia estate (closest equivalent) for £18k. A plug-in Octavia is £24.5. Of course they are not the same models. Skoda don't make a pure EV that's also available in other formats. (And for my requirements, a Fabia estate is all I need, which you can get for £14k).

Here's another one: SEAT. Petrol Leon £15.5k, hybrid Leon £20.5k.

As mentioned, I have done no real research on electric as they don't work for me and a lot of others. If I had a driveway I would now be very tempted for our second car to be a Kona like PJ has - glorious agreement! . As the wife does a lot of local commuting for work, this would work well with home charging. On the comparison, the other thing to think about is thr electric ones are generally higher spec so no doubt some of the manual lower spec cars wil be cheaper, but I am just astonished at how much the market has changed now and it certainly looks like a lot of electric 1 to 3y old are going to be less than ICE equivalents.

If we had a driveway and home charging and the necessary cash to blow I could easily see an 18k 1 or so year old electric alongside a diesel BMW X3 (M40D being my choice ).

Maybe in 5y time, even in a flat, if plentiful charging stations, 600m range, solid state batteries, and public charging no dearer mpg wise then it may be time to switch, but maybe an old dirty V8 plaything for summer fun!

 

[PJ87]

As mentioned, I have done no real research on electric as they don't work for me and a lot of others. If I had a driveway I would now be very tempted for our second car to be a Kona like PJ has - glorious agreement! . As the wife does a lot of local commuting for work, this would work well with home charging. On the comparison, the other thing to think about is thr electric ones are generally higher spec so no doubt some of the manual lower spec cars wil be cheaper, but I am just astonished at how much the market has changed now and it certainly looks like a lot of electric 1 to 3y old are going to be less than ICE equivalents.

If we had a driveway and home charging and the necessary cash to blow I could easily see an 18k 1 or so year old electric alongside a diesel BMW X3 (M40D being my choice ).

Maybe in 5y time, even in a flat, if plentiful charging stations, 600m range, solid state batteries, and public charging no dearer mpg wise then it may be time to switch, but maybe an old dirty V8 plaything for summer fun!

Are are agreeing on far far far too much this week Mr. One of us must be sick? Lol

The Kona is one of if not the most efficient made EVs around. Great for a local run around but not bad for a longer trip either. Think fish had one and was getting 300 miles to a charge. I think anyways

I prefer the Kia to drive and looks but it's newer model. The older models the Kona wins on looks

Kona is like a go cart to drive aswell so much fun

 

[PJ87]

Have all Kona's been sold on Autotrader? None came up on my search.

Might be further than your location? How far search you doing?

I did a (very) rough calculation this morning based on my average annual driving. I spend approx £1700 a year on diesel at a cost of around 17p a mile. An EV averaging around 3 miles per KWH would cost about £300 a year for the same driving based on cheap overnight charging plus a bit extra for public charging when I do longer trips.

The cars I can afford around the £20k mark are nowhere near as nice as my current car but saving £1400 a year is food for thought

You do have to drop a brand down badge wise but you can really make savings.

Last year due to free charging at work and golf my 10,000 EV miles cost £37

I spent £600 ISH doing 2500 miles in the Alhambra, but that's gone now. Anything under £500 combined id take

 

[Aztecs27]

Might be further than your location? How far search you doing?


You do have to drop a brand down badge wise but you can really make savings.

Last year due to free charging at work and golf my 10,000 EV miles cost £37

I spent £600 ISH doing 2500 miles in the Alhambra, but that's gone now. Anything under £500 combined id take

I'm really keen to move to EV - but circumstances meant I needed a big car for the dogs and kids (with all their guff that comes with them) whilst they're still young. So I've just taken delivery of a shiny new Skoda Kodiaq - which I'm very much enjoying.

But next time I'm due to change, I'll be moving to EV for sure. Mostly for the savings on fuel.

 

[PJ87]

I'm really keen to move to EV - but circumstances meant I needed a big car for the dogs and kids (with all their guff that comes with them) whilst they're still young. So I've just taken delivery of a shiny new Skoda Kodiaq - which I'm very much enjoying.

But next time I'm due to change, I'll be moving to EV for sure. Mostly for the savings on fuel.

Have you seen the Skoda enquak I think it's spelt, it's massive

 

[Aztecs27]

Have you seen the Skoda enquak I think it's spelt, it's massive

It's like a Mini compared to the Kodiaq mate

We were originally going to get an Enyaq - but it's really not very big (boot wise) in comparison. Lovely car though and probably what we'll get (or the KIA EV9 or whatever it is, that looks like a minibus)

 

[PJ87]

It's like a Mini compared to the Kodiaq mate

We were originally going to get an Enyaq - but it's really not very big (boot wise) in comparison. Lovely car though and probably what we'll get (or the KIA EV9 or whatever it is, that looks like a minibus)

The EV 9 is ridiculous lol looks amazing.. pricy tho .. but 3 years time be half the cost aha

 

[Aztecs27]

The EV 9 is ridiculous lol looks amazing.. pricy tho .. but 3 years time be half the cost aha

That's the hope ha.

 

[PJ87]

That's the hope ha.

See now we have the Kona it's the perfect keep as long as needed car

3 years time the Kia will be mine and then it's a 3 year old car. Perfect to run for ages

When we need something as big as the ev9 or id buzz (not big but people wise) my work salary sacrifice scheme will be up and running so would be very tax efficient with insurance included

 

[Aztecs27]

See now we have the Kona it's the perfect keep as long as needed car

3 years time the Kia will be mine and then it's a 3 year old car. Perfect to run for ages

When we need something as big as the ev9 or id buzz (not big but people wise) my work salary sacrifice scheme will be up and running so would be very tax efficient with insurance included

That's what we have at work now and how I was going to get the Enyaq - Just wasn't the right time, unfortunately.

 

[cliveb]

It's like a Mini compared to the Kodiaq mate

We were originally going to get an Enyaq - but it's really not very big (boot wise) in comparison. Lovely car though and probably what we'll get (or the KIA EV9 or whatever it is, that looks like a minibus)

I've never actually inspected a Kodiaq or Enyaq, but from the specs it looks like the Enyaq's boot is about on a par with the Octavia estate. And that has a HUGE boot.
The Kodiaq looks strange. Seats down the boot is enormous, but seats up it's tiny. I'm guessing you will be using it seats down?

 

[Aztecs27]

I've never actually inspected a Kodiaq or Enyaq, but from the specs it looks like the Enyaq's boot is about on a par with the Octavia estate. And that has a HUGE boot.
The Kodiaq looks strange. Seats down the boot is enormous, but seats up it's tiny. I'm guessing you will be using it seats down?

With 7 Seats up, the boot is tiny - We've used the 7 seat option about half a dozen times - It's handy on occasion to ferry the in-laws when we're off out to dinner or the like.

but with 5 seat-setup (i.e. a normal person car) the boot is massive. We can get two dogs, an absolutely ginormous pushchair and stuff for 2 adults and 2 kids for a very long weekend away without any problems. It's an absolutely incredible car with all the space we'd ever need and it's comfy to drive and comes with everything you'd need

On the flip side, the Enyaq is considerably smaller (and the shape of the enyaq means it's a lot less "square" so as useable space goes, it's nowhere near as good.

 

[cliveb]

On the flip side, the Enyaq is considerably smaller (and the shape of the enyaq means it's a lot less "square" so as useable space goes, it's nowhere near as good.

On paper the Enyaq has a boot about as big as an Octavia estate (in terms of litres), but as you say the shape is less usable. (Not that I've inspected an Enyaq).

I think SUVs are intrinsically space-inefficient for luggage carrying. Low and long is better than tall and short.
When my little Fabia estate was in for repairs they gave me a Vauxhall Grandland X courtesy car.
It was a big car, but I couldn't get my golf clubs in the boot without removing the driver.
(It was also an utterly hateful car for various reasons in addition to the useless boot).

 

[BubbaP]

On paper the Enyaq has a boot about as big as an Octavia estate (in terms of litres), but as you say the shape is less usable. (Not that I've inspected an Enyaq).

I think SUVs are intrinsically space-inefficient for luggage carrying. Low and long is better than tall and short.
When my little Fabia estate was in for repairs they gave me a Vauxhall Grandland X courtesy car.
It was a big car, but I couldn't get my golf clubs in the boot without removing the driver.
(It was also an utterly hateful car for various reasons in addition to the useless boot).

Other thing is they tend to measure boot volume up to the parcel shelf which is generally lower on estates than SUVs - as you mention often more 'usable' space, but there may not be many made soon...

 

[PJ87]

Other thing is they tend to measure boot volume up to the parcel shelf which is generally lower on estates than SUVs - as you mention often more 'usable' space, but there may not be many made soon...

I find parcel shelves a waste of time and effort

The kias one is made of a material that you can fold up and store which is useful so it's put away for good. It has privacy glass so noone can see into it anyways , lot more space without it