The all things EV chat thread

[Deleted member 35577]

I think many Tesla owners would disagree like the owner of a Model 3 performance June 2020, four door, family saloon with a range of 329 miles, 0-60 in 3.2 seconds, 425L boot and in its short life has covered 135,000 miles. Yours for only £17,164.
For comparison, that's faster than a Ferrari Portofino which, for the same year (2020) would start at £125,000

The problem with cars like this is battery degradation. For a car to do that mileage in a short time would suggest it has done lots of motorway miles with the likelihood of using rapid chargers. There has been a lot of research done and it has been shown that rapid charging to high %age levels is very bad for the batteries. Slow charging and running between 20 to 80% charge greatly enhances battery life.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It's funny people say 20 yards away like it hasn't been done. Plenty of chargers been installed far away from power supplies by professionals , with the charger on a post between the spaces and the armoured cable buried safely under ground.

Do you ever think that all these situations that you keep bringing up are not valid or practical for people

Just please stop , you don’t need to find a way to react and post to every single person that’s posts on this thread

There are many people on here where is not viable or practical to own an electrical vehicle - and that’s including on financial terms as well - people can’t just get an armoured cable dug through the concrete , they can’t have cables running across paths , they don’t have chargers popping up from the floor or cables from the lampost - there is a huge country outside the utopia of London where a EV is years away from being practical

 

[PJ87]

 

[PJ87]

Do you ever think that all these situations that you keep bringing up are not valid or practical for people

Just please stop , you don’t need to find a way to react and post to every single person that’s posts on this thread

There are many people on here where is not viable or practical to own an electrical vehicle - and that’s in on financial terms as well - people can’t just get an armoured cable dug through the concrete , they can’t have cables running across paths , they don’t have chargers popping up from the floor or cables from the lampost - there is a huge country outside the utopia of London where a EV is years away from being practical

It's not though. It's still practical for a lot of people.

People just love an excuse.

You would be surprised what can be done when you put your mind to something.

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[Jimaroid]

You would be surprised what can be done when you put your mind to something.

True. Maybe you can put your mind to not replying to everything and trying to have the last word as LP suggests.

 

[BubbaP]

The problem with cars like this is battery degradation. For a car to do that mileage in a short time would suggest it has done lots of motorway miles with the likelihood of using rapid chargers. There has been a lot of research done and it has been shown that rapid charging to high %age levels is very bad for the batteries. Slow charging and running between 20 to 80% charge greatly enhances battery life.

Yep, I expect over time the better traders will include battery health checks as part of the sales pack.

I recall coming across this about a taxi fleet (might have been on here)

Maintaining EV battery health - autotechnician - servicing the independent workshop

Alex Johns, from battery data specialists Altelium, on how you can advise electric car owners to keep their Electric Vehicle battery in good health

autotechnician.co.uk

 

[PJ87]

Yep, I expect over time the better traders will include battery health checks as part of the sales pack.

I recall coming across this about a taxi fleet (might have been on here)

Maintaining EV battery health - autotechnician - servicing the independent workshop

Alex Johns, from battery data specialists Altelium, on how you can advise electric car owners to keep their Electric Vehicle battery in good health

autotechnician.co.uk

The dealer I bought the Kona from included a state of battery health report (97%) at 45k miles

I saw a Kia soul with 100k on clock 8 years old with the same 97% state of health reported

 

[Billysboots]

For the second time in the recent past I find myself having to lock this thread because of the inability of a minority to debate like adults.

One warning has been issued, and the thread will remain locked for the time being, once again, to allow some of you to reflect on your contributions to it.

When re-opened, if the recent trend continues then expect further warnings, in addition to the possibility that the thread will be locked permanently.

Agree to disagree like adults. If you can’t do that, consider not joining the debate.

Enough is enough.

 

[jim8flog]

I saw a report on the box that said Oxford now has channels cut in to the pavements and curbs so house owners can get the cables form there house to the car.

I also saw another report where all the house owners in a street have banded together to ensure everybody with an EV is able to park outside of any house with EV charging and they 'charge share'

When it is costing just £2-£3 a night/week to charge nobody is going wildly out of pocket.

 

[PJ87]

I saw a report on the box that said Oxford now has channels cut in to the pavements and curbs so house owners can get the cables form there house to the car.

I also saw another report where all the house owners in a street have banded together to ensure everybody with an EV is able to park outside of any house with EV charging and they 'charge share'

When it is costing just £2-£3 a night/week to charge nobody is going wildly out of pocket.

Yeah these are a simple but brilliant idea to help solve charging issues

 

[PNWokingham]

this shows the massive drop in values of 1y/ 10k mile electric cars now compared to a year ago. Definitely look like some decent buys atm for those where it does suit. They now look much cheaper thann ICE equivalents, compared to being a more expensive this time last year. However, given these dramatic changes there must be a corresponding large increase in lease costs for those that want a new one

 

[PJ87]

this shows the massive drop in values of 1y/ 10k mile electric cars now compared to a year ago. Definitely look like some decent buys atm for those where it does suit. They now look much cheaper thann ICE equivalents, compared to being a more expensive this time last year. However, given these dramatic changes there must be a corresponding large increase in lease costs for those that want a new one

There are a good few companies signed up to salary sacrifice schemes which makes it very tax efficient to get one on lease that should feed the second hand market

Been impressed with the value you can find second hand now

Couldn't find another Kia to get because the warranty made them more expensive but setting a budget of under 15k still opened a world of really decent EVs to be fair

Is that the video with the Ipace Jag for 20k what a car

 

[Mudball]

I think my charger is allergic to me....
I was away for couple of weeks and it worked fine. I got back and twice in 2 nights, it seems to stop charging arbitrarily in the middle of the night. I have changed my Octopus tarriff - but I dont think this has anything to do with it.

Charger fellows tell me that they have updated their servers so i need to delete and re-add the EV to the app. I think i have a lemon.

 

[PJ87]

I think my charger is allergic to me....
I was away for couple of weeks and it worked fine. I got back and twice in 2 nights, it seems to stop charging arbitrarily in the middle of the night. I have changed my Octopus tarriff - but I dont think this has anything to do with it.

Charger fellows tell me that they have updated their servers so i need to delete and re-add the EV to the app. I think i have a lemon.

What tariff you on now out of interest?

The charger does sound annoying.

I just purchased an ohme. Tempted to wire it up myself , it's litterally plug and play

 

[cliveb]

this shows the massive drop in values of 1y/ 10k mile electric cars now compared to a year ago. Definitely look like some decent buys atm for those where it does suit. They now look much cheaper thann ICE equivalents, compared to being a more expensive this time last year.

The huge drop in prices has certainly made me reconsider whether an EV as a second runaround would make sense.

But they definitely are not cheaper than ICE equivalents.

 

[jim8flog]

The huge drop in prices has certainly made me reconsider whether an EV as a second runaround would make sense.

But they definitely are not cheaper than ICE equivalents.

When I bought mine back in September the difference was around £3k because I managed to pick up a pre reg massively reduced. I reckon on recouping that difference in the time I will own it simply based on running cost differential of £1k plus a year. By the time I come to sell it it may be a different thing.

 

[Mudball]

What tariff you on now out of interest?

The charger does sound annoying.

I just purchased an ohme. Tempted to wire it up myself , it's litterally plug and play

i m on Fixed Outgoing... but it is compatible with the Intelligent Go..

BTW, they did mention that they can only control one device... either the car charging or the battery; no both. Also they can control Givenergy batteries, so if you dont have them, then agile charging is the only option

 

[PJ87]

i m on Fixed Outgoing... but it is compatible with the Intelligent Go..

BTW, they did mention that they can only control one device... either the car charging or the battery; no both. Also they can control Givenergy batteries, so if you dont have them, then agile charging is the only option

Well u can use any battery on go or intelligent they just can't control them

That's not a tariff change tbh as you have Same in. Your export is just working

 

[Mudball]

Well u can use any battery on go or intelligent they just can't control them

That's not a tariff change tbh as you have Same in. Your export is just working

i fill my battery at night.. which is good.

I woke up around 5:30 to realise that the car had stopped charging. So i did a bit of bump charge for an hour. I see that it has drained the battery + import. I dont know how much of the battery went into charging. If it did, then i am happy as it was filled using cheap leccy

 

[PNWokingham]

The huge drop in prices has certainly made me reconsider whether an EV as a second runaround would make sense.

But they definitely are not cheaper than ICE equivalents.

not sure on that Clive - only going by the figures quoted on there - by the prices of 1y/10k cars quoted seem (without much research on these specific models but knowledge of simmilar) as likely cheaper now

Infact, just doing a check - will use the Hyundai Kona (a la PJ87) as it has electic, hybrid and ICE, used 2023 and newer and selected auto and sorted from cheapest, within 70 miles of Wokingham. The first page is all electric, starting at 16.5k and may are only 1-3k miles The first non electric is a hybrid on page 2 at 22k with 17k miles - next hybrid page 4 at 25.5k

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