The all things EV chat thread

[PNWokingham]

Lots. The fact that electric is charged at the same formula regardless helps the gas companies. wind and solar costs have fallen

And ehat has that got to do with oli and gas companies? What subsidies do they get?

 

[PJ87]

And ehat has that got to do with oli and gas companies? What subsidies do they get?

Fossil fuels received £20bn more UK support than renewables since 2015

Exclusive: One-fifth of money given directly to fossil fuel industry was to support new extraction and mining

www.theguardian.com

 

[PJ87]

So going down 18. Car was 60% when we teed off

I'm warming it up and it's gained 15% battery off a slow 3.7kw charger

(Left home on 61%)

By time I got to the car it was fully warm and 77% charge

Gear away

Charging adapter away in the frunk and off I head home

 

[bobmac]

And ehat has that got to do with oli and gas companies? What subsidies do they get?

They get ''support'' which is the same as a subsidy.
Call it whatever you want, if they stopped paying it, it would save money.
I don't know why they need to support the likes of BP and Shell when they are making billions in profits.
Plus
As renewable energy continues to provide more and more power to the grid, the govt saves more money

 

[cliveb]

What subsidies are the government giving fossil fuel companies??

There are all kinds of tax breaks that oil companies enjoy.
The worldwide total of direct and indirect subsidies for fossil fuels is about 7 trillion dollars per year.
SEVEN TRILLION DOLLARS. Read that again and weep.

Fossil Fuel Subsidies

Subsidies are intended to protect consumers by keeping prices low, but they come at a high cost. Subsidies have sizable fiscal costs (leading to higher taxes/borrowing or lower spending), promote inefficient allocation of an economy’s resources (hindering growth), encourage pollution...

www.imf.org

 

[PNWokingham]

Fossil fuels received £20bn more UK support than renewables since 2015

Exclusive: One-fifth of money given directly to fossil fuel industry was to support new extraction and mining

www.theguardian.com

#there are zero facts here on the Lib Dem sponsored study published by the Guardian. Show me how the fossil fuel companies in the UK have received £80bn since 2015. Will this appear in the accounts of BP & Shell??

 

[PNWokingham]

They get ''support'' which is the same as a subsidy.
Call it whatever you want, if they stopped paying it, it would save money.
I don't know why they need to support the likes of BP and Shell when they are making billions in profits.
Plus
As renewable energy continues to provide more and more power to the grid, the govt saves more money

again, please show me what this "support" is? What have BP and Shell received in "support"

 

[PJ87]

#there are zero facts here on the Lib Dem sponsored study published by the Guardian. Show me how the fossil fuel companies in the UK have received £80bn since 2015. Will this appear in the accounts of BP & Shell??

With all due respect it's well known and budgeted for

If you want to research it prove me wrong. I shouldn't have to prove myself right when I'm presenting evidence. Find me actual evidence that says the other way? Because that wasn't the only article .. and happend across the globe.

 

[PNWokingham]

There are all kinds of tax breaks that oil companies enjoy.
The worldwide total of direct and indirect subsidies for fossil fuels is about 7 trillion dollars per year.
SEVEN TRILLION DOLLARS. Read that again and weep.

Fossil Fuel Subsidies

Subsidies are intended to protect consumers by keeping prices low, but they come at a high cost. Subsidies have sizable fiscal costs (leading to higher taxes/borrowing or lower spending), promote inefficient allocation of an economy’s resources (hindering growth), encourage pollution...

www.imf.org

that is a much bigger study and about global subsidies more to help consumers and companies across the world than giving money to multi nationals. Many countries subsidise utility bills to support the economy - but that is not the same as giving subsidies to oil and gas producers who would sell their products anyway, or helping these companies make "excess profits".

Many countries, mainly in the developing also world subsidise fuel - places like Argentina and Nigeria - although in both these cases IMF support for their economies which they are reliant on is contingent on cutting or removing subsidies.

 

[TimShady]

Someone trying to defend the way fossil fuel companies are treated is a hard sell. Hard to broach it without politics though. We all know it’s about being in the right pockets.

 

[PNWokingham]

With all due respect it's well known and budgeted for

If you want to research it prove me wrong. I shouldn't have to prove myself right when I'm presenting evidence. Find me actual evidence that says the other way? Because that wasn't the only article .. and happend across the globe.

i don't need top research. The article is extremely biased. And the implication raised by Bob was that these £80bn in subsidies is helping the oil companies (and i think the implication means BP and Shell) make "excess profits". I am saying that BP and Shell's profits are nothing to do with any perceived subsidies from the UK government

 

[PJ87]

i don't need top research. The article is extremely biased. And the implication raised by Bob was that these £80bn in subsidies is helping the oil companies (and i think the implication means BP and Shell) make "excess profits". I am saying that BP and Shell's profits are nothing to do with any perceived subsidies from the UK government

Agreed their excessive profits aren't due to subsidies but it proves they don't need them and could be better used elsewhere.

 

[PNWokingham]

Someone trying to defend the way fossil fuel companies are treated is a hard sell. Hard to broach it without politics though. We all know it’s about being in the right pockets.

great addition to the debate as always. And i am not defending fossel fuel companies, i am saying that the multi national oil and gas companies do not make excess profits due to UK government subsidies.

 

[Peter Alliss]

Electric cars, a wonderful concept for people that have decided to give up on excitement unless you have very deep pockets.

Marvellous.

 

[PNWokingham]

Agreed their excessive profits aren't due to subsidies but it proves they don't need them and could be better used elsewhere.

and i am saying that i don't think the oil majors receive subsidies. They don't need them and as far as i know they don't get them. Hence, show me what this £80bn of subsidies are as i would love to know

 

[PJ87]

Anyways back on topic

Electric cars. For those they suit they are brilliant cars.

Other people don't suit them. Just like back in the day people picked diesel over petrol to save on fuel

I'm delighted with my choice. My panels and my car save me 2k a year between them.

Now I have a second EV on the way I won't be buying any diesel anymore which I'm delighted personally about.

Few more years time I hope to upgrade to a heat pump and induction hob then get rid of the gas and be an electric only house.

For reference my yearly electricity bill is currently £875

This includes running EV number 1 .. EV number 2 if it runs same milage as the diesel will push that up to £950 a year

That's for a house 4 bed high usage and 15000 miles a year across 2 cars.

The numbers add up for me.

 

[bobmac]

i am saying that the multi national oil and gas companies do not make excess profits due to UK government subsidies.

Who said they did?
Not I

I don't know why they need to support the likes of BP and Shell when they are making billions in profits.

 

[PJ87]

For a bit of context re running costs for those who are interested

Main car (kia niro ev)

servicing is as follows

20k miles £275 service

40k Miles £410 service

then repeats in those £275, 410 every 20k miles

wifes car (hyundai kona ev )

servicing is basically yearly or 10k miles

it goes

10k £95 service
20k £275 service
30k £95 service
40k £560 service

its similar to the kia but the kias 10k service are optional (got one free so will do)

as the kona wont do many miles it will be serviced yearly

kia will get a service every 18 months

tyre wise im not sure of usage yet but the corsa had done 28k miles when it returned and the tyres were 3mm front 5mm back which is good life

obviously kona is subject to MOT now but kia has 3 years until then

road tax is free until april 25 but i believe as they renew jan 25 i dont think ill pay until jan 26, but then they are £165 each

insurance was cheaper for the kia than the corsa but more for the kona than the alhambra. basically what i got back in refund i paid to change so cost of yearly premium for the 2 cars was £1750 (that was when it was one EV one ICE now its same but more even between them)

kia will do 12k miles kona about 3k miles

I budget £50 per month for charging at home which is £600 per year.. but thats just my budget. each year I get a refund in april from octopus (took it early this year bought a TSR3) for ref my yearly energy bill for leccy was £875, with second EV I can only see going to £950 as it goes low

before EV I was paying (pre covid) £200 PM for fueling 2 cars.

the alhambra was £200 per year to service so the kona is £56 more a year to service but much cheaper in fuel (i budgeted £50 a month for diesel before when just one ice)

as the charging situation suits me and the numbers add up. EV fits our family. Wont for all but devil is in the details



Quick add, just seen an 8 year old Kia with 100k miles so out of warranty. Battery state of health? 97% wow that's amazing

 

[Peter Alliss]

For a bit of context re running costs for those who are interested

Main car (kia niro ev)

servicing is as follows

20k miles £275 service

40k Miles £410 service

then repeats in those £275, 410 every 20k miles

wifes car (hyundai kona ev )

servicing is basically yearly or 10k miles

it goes

10k £95 service
20k £275 service
30k £95 service
40k £560 service

its similar to the kia but the kias 10k service are optional (got one free so will do)

as the kona wont do many miles it will be serviced yearly

kia will get a service every 18 months

tyre wise im not sure of usage yet but the corsa had done 28k miles when it returned and the tyres were 3mm front 5mm back which is good life

obviously kona is subject to MOT now but kia has 3 years until then

road tax is free until april 25 but i believe as they renew jan 25 i dont think ill pay until jan 26, but then they are £165 each

insurance was cheaper for the kia than the corsa but more for the kona than the alhambra. basically what i got back in refund i paid to change so cost of yearly premium for the 2 cars was £1750 (that was when it was one EV one ICE now its same but more even between them)

kia will do 12k miles kona about 3k miles

I budget £50 per month for charging at home which is £600 per year.. but thats just my budget. each year I get a refund in april from octopus (took it early this year bought a TSR3) for ref my yearly energy bill for leccy was £875, with second EV I can only see going to £950 as it goes low

before EV I was paying (pre covid) £200 PM for fueling 2 cars.

the alhambra was £200 per year to service so the kona is £56 more a year to service but much cheaper in fuel (i budgeted £50 a month for diesel before when just one ice)

as the charging situation suits me and the numbers add up. EV fits our family. Wont for all but devil is in the details



Quick add, just seen an 8 year old Kia with 100k miles so out of warranty. Battery state of health? 97% wow that's amazing

Wonderful post, so much thought and effort put into it. But I don't think anyone is interested.

Sublime.

 

[TimShady]

Wonderful post, so much thought and effort put into it. But I don't think anyone is interested.

Sublime.

I wonder which poster under a different alias that you don’t mind being banned you are.