The all things EV chat thread

[PJ87]

Toyota, the world's largest car manufacturer (I think) reckon that in its present form, EV'S will top out at about 30% ownership.
I don't believe that in their present form (technology) they are a solution.
I think the technology atm is a stop gap until something better is discovered.
My concern is apart from the obvious drawbacks of the current EV'S, when new technology arrives (as I'm sure it will) that will render the present EV'S worthless.

The thing I dislike the most however, is the constant nudging, & gaslighting by the Government & environmental groups towards EV'S.
When a new product or service comes along, if it's a fantastic product or service, it will sell itself, people will queue up for it.
If that product or service was that great, there would be no need for the hard sell or gaslighting techniques that we are currently seeing.

To be fair whilst I agree and think a stop gap until they can actually get hydrogen working .. if the government supported EVs properly with training for techs, funding fully for charging network they would have taken off even more than they have.

More superchargers and majority of issues disappear

Watched a video from Oz about them so many Tesla chargers just simply everywhere free to use (in a city I'll add) but go out to the zoo, charger, go out to the shops , charger .. and proper amounts not a token 2 chargers.

That's the sort of stuff we need rather than forcing it on people and not supporting it.

 

[bobmac]

My concern is apart from the obvious drawbacks of the current EV'S, when new technology arrives (as I'm sure it will) that will render the present EV'S worthless.

How about those people who have a fairly new EV with 300 miles of range, solar panels and batteries, are they going to think their EV is worthless?

 

[Captain_Black.]

How about those people who have a fairly new EV with 300 miles of range, solar panels and batteries, are they going to think their EV is worthless?

Depends if they keep it.
If they do & drive it until it falls to bits then it's probably not too much of an issue.
But.
If they attempt to sell it or trade it in, they could be in for quite a shock.

 

[PJ87]

How about those people who have a fairly new EV with 300 miles of range, solar panels and batteries, are they going to think their EV is worthless?

New tech could make current evs worth less than now but whilst they work they have a purpose they will still be useful as an option. They will become the cheaper option for those like you who can deal with the shorter range

For example say they make a car with a 100kw battery that can be recharged in 10 mins at a station and do 500 miles .. there will be those who don't need to recharge quick and will use the cheaper home option or more convenient for them .. so they will stick with the now cheaper tech

Same with hydrogen. It will be an option for some when stations are everywhere but ATM hydrogen cars are even more than EVs and people worry about EVs catching fire but don't seem to mind driving around in a literal potential bomb .. that goes half the roads gone

 

[PJ87]

Depends if they keep it.
If they do & drive it until it falls to bits then it's probably not too much of an issue.
But.
If they attempt to sell it or trade it in, they could be in for quite a shock.

Anyone who worries about car trade in prices is always due a shock. 9/10 they lose money

 

[bobmac]

I guess my idea of 'worthless' and 'worth less' is different from yours

 

[Captain_Black.]

Anyone who worries about car trade in prices is always due a shock. 9/10 they lose money

I guess my idea of 'worthless' and 'worth less' is different from yours

Yes, virtually all cars depreciate in value.
Just depends what an individual would find an acceptable loss.
Also of course, future new technology may or may not involve battery power.
Even if battery power is retained in some form (work Currently underway on solid state batteries) the current chargers would unlikely to be compatible.

 

[PJ87]

Yes, virtually all cars depreciate in value.
Just depends what an individual would find an acceptable loss.
Also of course, future new technology may or may not involve battery power.
Even if battery power is retained in some form (work Currently underway on solid state batteries) the current chargers would unlikely to be compatible.

I'm not sure. They would still require current and would easily be converted to run, a simple cable can just be type 2 to whatever new charger it needs rather than change chargers all the time

Which is why the chargers have universal ports now

 

[BubbaP]

** to reassure, I will not be posting 12 hourly updates **
But back to the OP's question - today brought home a 2nd hand 'milk float'.
As has been posted several times, it needs to fit the anticipated usage - and we'll find out, but hopeful.
Like some others, we are keeping the aging diesel 'big car', and will aim to use the leccy for most of the 'faff about' local mileage initially.
Have concerns similar to those mentioned around the manufacturing, but maybe take some solice in that am 'recycling' by buying used. Similar to Greig's thinking, others have set the direction and am interested to experience, adapt and see how I feel.
For now, can amuse myself that the 2 litre diesel, and the EV come to a combined £10 a year vehicle tax

 

[PJ87]

** to reassure, I will not be posting 12 hourly updates **
But back to the OP's question - today brought home a 2nd hand 'milk float'.
As has been posted several times, it needs to fit the anticipated usage - and we'll find out, but hopeful.
Like some others, we are keeping the aging diesel 'big car', and will aim to use the leccy for most of the 'faff about' local mileage initially.
Have concerns similar to those mentioned around the manufacturing, but maybe take some solice in that am 'recycling' by buying used. Similar to Greig's thinking, others have set the direction and am interested to experience, adapt and see how I feel.
For now, can amuse myself that the 2 litre diesel, and the EV come to a combined £10 a year vehicle tax

What did you go for?

We are looking to get a second hand Kona possible to go all in 2 EV

Both would have ,250 range which would be good

 

[BubbaP]

What did you go for?

We are looking to get a second hand Kona possible to go all in 2 EV

Both would have ,250 range which would be good

Not saying , as you had your fingers tinged.
Pug 2008. Fitted the assigned budget, and, although a personal thing, we liked the styling.

 

[PJ87]

Not saying , as you had your fingers tinged.
Pug 2008. Fitted the assigned budget, and, although a personal thing, we liked the styling.

I've heard a lot less issues with the Peugeots over the Vauxhall's, maybe their dealers are less clueless morons lol

Nice looking cars to be fair

 

[Mudball]

If Battery and charging is your thing, then a good video

 

[PJ87]

Looks like the decision has been made to go for the Kona. However pushing the budget to the top to get a 64kw one so the Mrs still gets 250 ISH miles without worry.

Found a nice one on auto trader (ironically from the same town as the Alhambra when I bought that) which I've reserved

Alhambra is listed on motorway to see what kind of price they will offer with the sunroof issue declared.

Fun times lol

Mrs finally drove the Kia this weekend, soon as regen braking was turned off she loved it

 

[larmen]

I start to become a fan of Electrifying. Imagine car reviews without shouting and grunting.

Today they look at 1 y/o cars with 10000 miles. Maybe I can get into EVs quite soon

The Kona is on their list ;-)

 

[PJ87]

I start to become a fan of Electrifying. Imagine car reviews without shouting and grunting.

Today they look at 1 y/o cars with 10000 miles. Maybe I can get into EVs quite soon

The Kona is on their list ;-)

They are brilliant aren't they. I watch a lot of their content . Easy watching and very knowledgeable

 

[Neilds]

Paris has voted to charge SUVs up to £15 to park in the city centre - reasons being pollution and the size of the cars. A referendum was held and more than 54% of the voters were in favour of the higher charges.
However, the turnout was about 75,000 - out of 1.3 million eligible to vote! How can something be passed when only 3.75% of the electorate wants it?

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Paris has voted to charge SUVs up to £15 to park in the city centre - reasons being pollution and the size of the cars. A referendum was held and more than 54% of the voters were in favour of the higher charges.
However, the turnout was about 75,000 - out of 1.3 million eligible to vote! How can something be passed when only 3.75% of the electorate wants it?

If you can’t be bothered to vote, why should you complain about the result?

 

[clubchamp98]

Paris has voted to charge SUVs up to £15 to park in the city centre - reasons being pollution and the size of the cars. A referendum was held and more than 54% of the voters were in favour of the higher charges.
However, the turnout was about 75,000 - out of 1.3 million eligible to vote! How can something be passed when only 3.75% of the electorate wants it?

Because if you can’t be arsed turning out to vote you can’t really complain about the outcome!

Its like this in most things where it probably dosnt affect them.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Apathy rules okay .

They really should have a minimum turnout figure to bring about a change but if there isn't one.............Thankfully, it will never affect me. Who the heck would drive in Paris anyway, never mind with a big car

Incidentally, it will be €18 per hour, €12 per hour in some places. Ouch, but it sends a message.