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Over 10k cars are stolen and set on fire each year.....
The all things EV chat thread
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cliveb
Head Pro
I think you missed the point I was making.
I wasn't questioning the figures for ICE and EV cars. They could be right; they could be wrong.
I'm questioning why a hybrid (which has a combination of both technologies) is so astonishingly more likely to catch fire than the combination of both others.
What is it about having both ICE and EV in a car that causes the combined likelihood of a fire to be so dramatically greater?
Is there some kind of interaction between ICE and EV that turns it into a ticking time bomb?
I can't fathom what that might be.
So I prefer to wonder whether those stats might be a bit dubious.
That's all.
cliveb
Head Pro
So let me rephrase:Nah! Just a lazy bit of poor maths. Was thinking £20/25, about 3 gallons, 42mpg, 126miles.
You have a diesel that only does 42mpg? What is it - a bus?
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
So let me rephrase:
You have a diesel that only does 42mpg? What is it - a bus?
To be fair that ridiculously oversized hat weighs down the car
road2ruin
Q-School Graduate
One of the better articles (IMO) about insurance….
www.wired.co.uk
The Real Reason EV Repairs Are So Expensive
Insurers are demanding perfectly good EVs be scrapped, or hiking repair bills from $1,000 to $15,000 for seemingly no good reason. There’s a solution, and it’s in the hands of car companies.
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
One of the better articles (IMO) about insurance….
The Real Reason EV Repairs Are So Expensive
Insurers are demanding perfectly good EVs be scrapped, or hiking repair bills from $1,000 to $15,000 for seemingly no good reason. There’s a solution, and it’s in the hands of car companies.
“There’s far too much scaremongering across our industry about EVs,” says Cleevely. “The problem is the lack of understanding.”
The industry have fed this misunderstanding to the media who have fed it to the public.
Good article very well balanced
Almost out of place on this thread for being neutral
bobmac
Major Champion
Please don't patronise me, I know exactly the point you were trying to make.
But I will repeat my question that you conveniently avoided answering.....
Do you have any evidence that proves your suspicion is correct?
cliveb
Head Pro
No Bob, you can't wriggle out of it like that. Here's a direct quote from you:
Any rational person will interpret that as meaning that you think I believe an ICE car is less likely to catch fire than an EV.
Nowhere did I say that, or give the merest hint of such a belief.
To answer your follow up question:
The only evidence I have that my suspicion is correct is that the quoted statistics make no sense.
I'd like to have it explained to me why hybrids appear to be so incredibly prone to catching fire.
bobmac
Major Champion
Evidence is fact, not suspicion.
PIng
Head Pro
Copied from a fire industry website:-
Apparently, the presence of a gasoline enginge next to a high-powered electric battery system is the cause of most problems with hybrid cars. The combinations of these two together generate a lot of heat. This heat can be dangerous for the lithium-ion battery in the car and possibly cause a thermal runaway and fire.5 Oct 2022
Apparently, the presence of a gasoline enginge next to a high-powered electric battery system is the cause of most problems with hybrid cars. The combinations of these two together generate a lot of heat. This heat can be dangerous for the lithium-ion battery in the car and possibly cause a thermal runaway and fire.5 Oct 2022
cliveb
Head Pro
The statistics don't make sense to me - Fact.
Therefore I am suspicious that they are meaningless.
However:
Thank you. At last someone has provided a plausible explanation why hybrids are so prone to fires. My suspicions about the statistics are assuaged.
Sounds like the battery in a hybrid should ideally be located far away from the engine. Hybrid batteries tend to be fairly low capacity, so one would have thought this shouldn't be too difficult. Hopefully the industry will get on top of it.
If hybrids are so dangerous, why are 90% of taxi drivers using Corolla hybrids?
The numbers quoted seem high. If it was that great a problem, would it not be all over the news? Would Toyota not have closed down?
The numbers quoted seem high. If it was that great a problem, would it not be all over the news? Would Toyota not have closed down?
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
Australia’s Department of Defence funded EV FireSafe to look into the question. It found there was a 0.0012% chance of a passenger electric vehicle battery catching fire, compared with a 0.1% chance for internal combustion engine cars. (The Home Office said it was unable to provide data for the UK.)
Either number is not enough of a risk to write home about
Source
Do electric cars pose a greater fire risk than petrol or diesel vehicles?
The first in a series exploring the myths and realities surrounding EVs
Bunkermagnet
Journeyman Pro
The pious hybrid is very popular this way to with taxi's, but in Town it's the MG5 (low rent estate) or Kia Niro leccy and hybrid.
All are models to steer clear of if looking for used to me.
Personally I don't belive the fire statistic either.
SteveW86
Head Pro
Clive and Bob, hope you guys had a good New Year’s Eve party last night.
cliveb
Head Pro
Well, having a ding dong with Bob was a lot more fun than getting drunk and waking up with a hangover
Happy New Year to everyone.
bobmac
Major Champion
Can we all at least agree that ICE cars and hybrids are more likely to catch fire than EVs?
Bunkermagnet
Journeyman Pro
Since theres millions more ICE cars than Ev, probably so.HOWEVER, why not look at the persentage difference in fires from ICE to EV's from when EV's actually became a reasonable number sold. That would be more telling.
D-S
Well-known member
In 40 years of motoring and buying/choosing cars, I can honestly say the risk of the car catching fire has never, ever informed my choice.
bobmac
Major Champion
Australia’s Department of Defence funded EV FireSafe to look into the question. It found there was a 0.0012% chance of a passenger electric vehicle battery catching fire, compared with a 0.1% chance for internal combustion engine cars. (The Home Office said it was unable to provide data for the UK.)
www.theguardian.com
Do electric cars pose a greater fire risk than petrol or diesel vehicles?
The first in a series exploring the myths and realities surrounding EVs
