Texas Scramble query....

upsidedown said:
Interesting, didn't know that :thup: Found it a frustrating form of the scramble concept , felt I'd only had half a game , but having said that our team did come 2nd :D
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I've been a member of a few clubs around here and that's been done at all of them and is always still called a Texas Scramble, it makes sure that not 1 player dominates, I think its a fair rule as its a team event after all.
 
Just to chuck in another question..........

I played in a Texas Scramble where we had to use a particular player's drive on the 18th. The pressure got to him and he managed to hit the ball between his own legs and into a gorse bush 30 yards left of the tee. He had to drop out and we had to all play the 3rd shot from there. We then discussed the fact that we would have been better off if he had had an air shot and missed the ball completely as we would have been playing our second from the tee. In that situation would all players be allowed to tee their ball up to play what would be the second shot on the hole?
 
ColchesterFC said:
Just to chuck in another question..........

I played in a Texas Scramble where we had to use a particular player's drive on the 18th. The pressure got to him and he managed to hit the ball between his own legs and into a gorse bush 30 yards left of the tee. He had to drop out and we had to all play the 3rd shot from there. We then discussed the fact that we would have been better off if he had had an air shot and missed the ball completely as we would have been playing our second from the tee. In that situation would all players be allowed to tee their ball up to play what would be the second shot on the hole?
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sounds fair enough to me. scrambled are always pretty relaxed anyway.
 
ColchesterFC said:
Just to chuck in another question..........

I played in a Texas Scramble where we had to use a particular player's drive on the 18th. The pressure got to him and he managed to hit the ball between his own legs and into a gorse bush 30 yards left of the tee. He had to drop out and we had to all play the 3rd shot from there. We then discussed the fact that we would have been better off if he had had an air shot and missed the ball completely as we would have been playing our second from the tee. In that situation would all players be allowed to tee their ball up to play what would be the second shot on the hole?
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I know, a few years ago, one group at our place suggested this exact scenario to a player who was having a mare. I'm pleased to say that he refused as he didn't feel it the right thing to do and subsequently hit an ok shot
 
ColchesterFC said:
Just to chuck in another question..........

I played in a Texas Scramble where we had to use a particular player's drive on the 18th. The pressure got to him and he managed to hit the ball between his own legs and into a gorse bush 30 yards left of the tee. He had to drop out and we had to all play the 3rd shot from there. We then discussed the fact that we would have been better off if he had had an air shot and missed the ball completely as we would have been playing our second from the tee. In that situation would all players be allowed to tee their ball up to play what would be the second shot on the hole?
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First point, technically the drop was the 2nd shot so you all could have had a drop and chosen the best one.

Secondly, if the original player is allowed to tee up his ball for his 2nd shot, no reason why the rest of the team can't. The whole idea is to have 4 opportunities to play the same shot.
 
chrisd said:
I know, a few years ago, one group at our place suggested this exact scenario to a player who was having a mare. I'm pleased to say that he refused as he didn't feel it the right thing to do and subsequently hit an ok shot
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Well you can't have a deliberate air shot, simply by definition of "stroke .
 
Please help!

I was recently "told/informed" that in a Texas Scramble there is a "rule" that states, whomever took the previous (chosen) shot shall be first to play the next shot.

Earlier in this thread someone wrote
"The player whose DRIVE is selected, must be next to play the 2nd shot with his ball."

Is this a rule? That this order must be used? What is the penalty if this does exist and a team made the mistake?
Where is this written, I've not been able to find any trace of official Texas Scramble Rules!
Our club did/does not publish rule with this competition format.

Does this apply throughout each hole? On and off the green and in a hazard?
Does this apply to the following tee shot order? ie. last to putt out is first off next tee?

Example -
Players A, B, C & D tee off from 1st hole (lowest to highest handicap).
Team select Player A's drive. Player A must be first to play? Followed by B, C, D.
Team select Player A's second shot which lies on the green nearest the hole (perhaps so close B, C, D don't bother playing).
Player A must now putt first. Player A holes out and the team move to 2nd Tee.
Does player A have to be first to tee off?

Can the team ask Player D to putt first, or any other order, or is there a rule that states if his shot was selected (A) must therefore be the next/first to play from that position?

If that is the case... why should "A" take a drive if the team decide that on this hole they are taking "D"s drive regardless?
if you have to take x4 drives for each player, surely the other players do not actually have to drive off.
Therefore - there is no "order"?
 
have played in clubs where all the following have been the rules:

Player A drives, player A doesnt get to play the next shot
Player A drives, player A has to play first next shot
Player A drives, play in any order next shot

Boils down to the club and their rules basically
 
I don't think there are any official rules because it's not recognised by CONGU/R&A as an official format.

I always thought it just made sense that whichever ball is chosen gets played from where it lies, then the others place/drop as necessary.
 
Region3 said:
I don't think there are any official rules because it's not recognised by CONGU/R&A as an official format.

I always thought it just made sense that whichever ball is chosen gets played from where it lies, then the others place/drop as necessary.
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That sounds right in my experience, never heard of the other options. It would seem natural order that whosever ball is chosen plays it first to get it out of the way, then others drop/place and follow. 3 drives for each player have to be used, that's about the only rule I've seen for Texas's.
 
fundy said:
have played in clubs where all the following have been the rules:

Player A drives, player A doesnt get to play the next shot
Player A drives, player A has to play first next shot
Player A drives, play in any order next shot

Boils down to the club and their rules basically
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Thanks for confirming this.
I had only previously played the "excluded from subsequent" shot format, so my jaw dropped when they said we'd not played it correctly!

Your assessment ties in with my findings!
 
doublebogey7 said:
That would not be my take on it assuming there are no club competetion rules covering this. I would see it as akin to Foursommes where if player A has put their tee shot out of bounds then the next player to play (Player B) goes back to the tee and is now playing three. In Texas Scramble therefore all players would go back to the tee and all would be playing the teams third shot. In what is meant to be a social format it would also seem rather excessive to put pressure on the player for a second time.
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So assuming a 4 person TS team, player A hits it OOB and players A, B, C & D all play a third shot off the tee as player A's initial shot counted towards his total drives?

There are so many "local" rules concerning a scramble it's a nightmare.

For example who plays the second shot first having selected the drive? I always assumed it was the person the drove but others allow other team members to drop a ball and play first.

Worth someone writing a set and publishing them to help organisers of these fun events.
 
mikejohnchapman said:
So assuming a 4 person TS team, player A hits it OOB and players A, B, C & D all play a third shot off the tee as player A's initial shot counted towards his total drives?
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It's still meant to fall under the Rules of Golf

So might be worth reading Rule 11 on teeing ground,
if A's tee shot is the ball they have to play, the other players would not be involved until A's tee shot is in play.
It follows therefore that you are not playing A's tee shot as their ball is not in play until they have teed off.

But yes, I think each clubs Competition Committee should publish the rules for that TS specifically covering

Order of play from tee (ie. Starting a Hole) and
Order of play from ball in play (not a tee shot)
Dropping/placing in rough (and winter rules)
Standing on line of play (ie. watching a putt from behind).

I'm sure there's more on that...

We have club AGM tonight and a Scramble in 2 weeks time!
 
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