Texas Scramble query....

[Smiffy]

I know that a Texas Scramble isn't recognised as an official format, but here's one....

One of your team hits his drive out of bounds.
Is he still entitled to drop a ball at the point of the selected drive and play a second shot?

 

[ColchesterFC]

I haven't checked the rules but I would say yes. In my opinion it's no different to knobbing one into a bush or a pond. As you haven't selected his drive it doesn't matter where it went and he is allowed to play from where ever the chosen drive has finished.

 

[Fish]

I know that a Texas Scramble isn't recognised as an official format, but here's one....

One of your team hits his drive out of bounds.
Is he still entitled to drop a ball at the point of the selected drive and play a second shot?

Yes, been there and done that whilst playing with the handicap secretary who was a stickler for the rules when I first Joined Kenilworth, hooked 1 straight OOB on the 16th, still played my next shot from the chosen drive, no different to it not being found in-bounds but in thick rough, which I also did that day

 

[Old Skier]

As you rightly say, there are no rules for a Texas Scramble other that those made by the comp organiser.

 

[chrisd]

Yes, the only drive that counts is the one selected

 

[guest100718]

yes in any scrambles I have played, but some do have other rules...

 

[azazel]

How about this then:

4 man scramble, 3 drives needed each. On the 18th tee one is left needing to get their drive away. Said player hooks out of bounds. 3 off the tee for that player only, or are the whole team back in since the oob drive counted?

 

[Tarkus1212]

How about this then:

4 man scramble, 3 drives needed each. On the 18th tee one is left needing to get their drive away. Said player hooks out of bounds. 3 off the tee for that player only, or are the whole team back in since the oob drive counted?

The player only, he reloads and keeps reloading until he puts one in play.

 

[doublebogey7]

The player only, he reloads and keeps reloading until he puts one in play.

That would not be my take on it assuming there are no club competetion rules covering this. I would see it as akin to Foursommes where if player A has put their tee shot out of bounds then the next player to play (Player B) goes back to the tee and is now playing three. In Texas Scramble therefore all players would go back to the tee and all would be playing the teams third shot. In what is meant to be a social format it would also seem rather excessive to put pressure on the player for a second time.

 

[rosecott]

That would not be my take on it assuming there are no club competetion rules covering this. I would see it as akin to Foursommes where if player A has put their tee shot out of bounds then the next player to play (Player B) goes back to the tee and is now playing three. In Texas Scramble therefore all players would go back to the tee and all would be playing the teams third shot. In what is meant to be a social format it would also seem rather excessive to put pressure on the player for a second time.

Comparison with Foursomes is not appropriate. I'm pretty sure that all scramble rules would expect that if one player has to have his tee shot selected on the team's final hole then that is it - he has to put a ball in play, no matter how many strokes that takes. The rather excessive pressure on that player springs from the team's decision to leave him in that situation - nothing else, the team lives by its decisions.

 

[Tarkus1212]

Comparison with Foursomes is not appropriate. I'm pretty sure that all scramble rules would expect that if one player has to have his tee shot selected on the team's final hole then that is it - he has to put a ball in play, no matter how many strokes that takes. The rather excessive pressure on that player springs from the team's decision to leave him in that situation - nothing else, the team lives by its decisions.

Is correct - comparison with Foursomes is erroneous as that is an "alternate stroke" competition, Texas Scramble isn't. We play TS in teams of four with each player having to take 4 drives. The situation of one player having to take the last tee shot happens frequently, I've been there myself and the pressure is huge.

 

[doublebogey7]

Comparison with Foursomes is not appropriate. I'm pretty sure that all scramble rules would expect that if one player has to have his tee shot selected on the team's final hole then that is it - he has to put a ball in play, no matter how many strokes that takes. The rather excessive pressure on that player springs from the team's decision to leave him in that situation - nothing else, the team lives by its decisions.

Sorry but in the absence of a competetion rule I have put forward a logical comparison from the rules of golf, you have simply dismissed that and not come up with an alternative comparison, just an opinion.

 

[rosecott]

Sorry but in the absence of a competetion rule I have put forward a logical comparison from the rules of golf, you have simply dismissed that and not come up with an alternative comparison, just an opinion.

No - not an opinion. Ask any forummer who has been involved in organising scrambles and I suspect you'll get the same answer.

If - and you will find they all do - the competition rules say that the player's tee shot must be used, then that is crystal clear - the tee shot of any other team member can not be used.

 

[doublebogey7]

No - not an opinion. Ask any forummer who has been involved in organising scrambles and I suspect you'll get the same answer.

If - and you will find they all do - the competition rules say that the player's tee shot must used, then that is crystal clear - the tee shot of any other team member's can not be used.

Even if such a view belongs to many or all the people it is still only an opinion.

The rules for foursomes play require players to play the tee shot from alternative holes so in your logic player A would need to continue to play the tee shot from the first hole until he had put a ball into play, but we all know that this not the case.

 

[Spuddy]

If said player hit his ball into a hazard then I dare say everyone would play from where he dropped it. I'd imagine that the equivalent if it went OOB (or lost) would be for everyone to play 3 off the tee. In a low scoring format like a Texas I'd say that would be punishment enough.

 

[Tarkus1212]

Even if such a view belongs to many or all the people it is still only an opinion.

The rules for foursomes play require players to play the tee shot from alternative holes so in your logic player A would need to continue to play the tee shot from the first hole until he had put a ball into play, but we all know that this not the case.

You may call it an opinion but it's the way I have played Texas Scramble for the thick end of 30 years at four different golf clubs.

 

[Tarkus1212]

If said player hit his ball into a hazard then I dare say everyone would play from where he dropped it. I'd imagine that the equivalent if it went OOB (or lost) would be for everyone to play 3 off the tee. In a low scoring format like a Texas I'd say that would be punishment enough.

Once the player has put a ball in play then yes everyone would play from that spot be it in the middle of the fairway or the middle of a gorse bush. The key is that the player has to put a ball in play, no matter how many attempts it takes him.

 

[Spuddy]

It is in play when he tees off. If it's in a gorsebush, does he take an unplayable, drop in line or within 2 club lengths, play his 3rd and then everyone plays from where it end ups?

 

[rosecott]

It is in play when he tees off. If it's in a gorsebush, does he take an unplayable, drop in line or within 2 club lengths, play his 3rd and then everyone plays from where it end ups?

No. The other players would play from wherever he dropped the ball under penalty - all playing their third shot.

 

[rosecott]

Even if such a view belongs to many or all the people it is still only an opinion.

The rules for foursomes play require players to play the tee shot from alternative holes so in your logic player A would need to continue to play the tee shot from the first hole until he had put a ball into play, but we all know that this not the case.

Why do you keep on about Foursomes as being analogous? Foursomes are for two players playing alternate shots. Scrambles are for 3 or 4 players all playing shots from the same place. At no time in a scramble are the players playing alternate shots.